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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;New maps(or older) in competitive&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by Flomy</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-27461/page-2/?recent=475764#post=475764</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Gravelpit for sure.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 30 Oct 2013 08:58:38 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Kaneco</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-27461/page-2/?recent=475764#post=475684</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I love gravelpit, its one of the most interesting and exciting maps in the sense that it really requires coordination and teamwork to do something notable]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 29 Oct 2013 22:06:00 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Anoobis</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-27461/page-2/?recent=475764#post=475674</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Gravelpit is actually ok, it's just the general consensus is that it sucks because people don't know how to play it, just like steel.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 29 Oct 2013 20:57:38 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by PhaNtom666</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-27461/page-2/?recent=475764#post=475673</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Needs more gravelpit]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 29 Oct 2013 20:52:39 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Snowstorm</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-27461/page-2/?recent=475764#post=475658</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Well it wouldn't be bad if aprox. 5 maps were introduced. As you know,teams choose the maps...it should be every team's decision, not ETF2L's.

Plus that newer maps in competitive would be a positive effect: learning new rollouts, new strategies etc. In Badlands,Granary etc you already know everything about that map(if you are a competitive player,ofc)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 29 Oct 2013 19:44:12 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Anoobis</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-27461/page-2/?recent=475764#post=475652</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Eff turbine]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 29 Oct 2013 19:34:52 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Cunlico</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-27461/page-2/?recent=475764#post=475650</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Menty</i>
		<blockquote>Am I the only one with shit taste thinking that obscure should be played again next season</blockquote>
Unfortunately there are plenty others, although most people rightly believe its shit so its not played anymore]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 29 Oct 2013 19:32:45 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Toregant</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-27461/page-2/?recent=475764#post=475623</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Popcorp</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Time has passed, new players, new teams, why not give it a shot? make damn One night cups for some old maps or something</blockquote>

Why don't you make them yourself?

These maps are kicked out for the reason of being shite. "New players, new teams" is not going to make them not shite.

Feel free to make your own cup of unfun.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 29 Oct 2013 16:41:27 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by freshmeatt</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-27461/page-2/?recent=475764#post=475609</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Popcorp</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Time has passed, new players, new teams, why not give it a shot? make damn One night cups for some old maps or something</blockquote>
No.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 29 Oct 2013 15:55:53 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by popcorp</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-27461/page-2/?recent=475764#post=475608</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Oxy</i>
		<blockquote>Please guys, we do this every damn time.

Season 12 - "You know we should bring back freight!"
Season 13 - "Lets bring back turbine! Woohoo!"

Both were received badly by the end of the season. Maps that have been removed from the map pool in the past were removed for a reason.</blockquote>

Time has passed, new players, new teams, why not give it a shot? make damn One night cups for some old maps or something]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 29 Oct 2013 15:50:34 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Oxy</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-27461/page-2/?recent=475764#post=475607</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Please guys, we do this every damn time.

Season 12 - "You know we should bring back freight!"
Season 13 - "Lets bring back turbine! Woohoo!"

Both were received badly by the end of the season. Maps that have been removed from the map pool in the past were removed for a reason.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 29 Oct 2013 15:44:18 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by iQue</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-27461/page-2/?recent=475764#post=475600</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Turbine needs to be back :(]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 29 Oct 2013 14:46:45 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by rarecandy</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-27461/page-2/?recent=475764#post=475589</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Fuxx</i>
		<blockquote>
[...]
I do however want to see your reactions to the convoy suggestion, as I expected that one to be the most controversial one.</blockquote>
Interiors of convoy are mostly tight corridors and exteriors seem to have big sightline problems. And the fact that the map is on top of a giant deathpit isn't going to be appealing to most players.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 29 Oct 2013 13:19:04 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Mentelex</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-27461/page-2/?recent=475764#post=475586</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Am I the only one with shit taste thinking that obscure should be played again next season]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 29 Oct 2013 12:51:20 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Dukermons</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-27461/page-1/?recent=475764#post=475585</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Old maps huh, what about actual old maps like dustbowl, goldrush, well and hydro? Now there's some 'old maps'. The ones you listed are all new.

The reason they don't get played anymore is because when they were played problems were noticed.

freight - hold last forever
cold/warm - snipe into forward spawn from half a map away
obscure - last...ewwwww
turbine - deadlock snore fest

I could continue. Suffice it to say if a map has been played and problems are found that <strong>you</strong> can't see then guess what? It's your eyes that are the problem, not the judgment of your peers from a couple of years ago.

Unless you think the community decided, randomly, to stop playing these maps for no reason at all? Because that makes sense.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 29 Oct 2013 12:43:59 +0100</pubDate>
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