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    	    <title>Reply by atmo</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Freakie</i>
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I'm fairly sure it's just an example of an unrostered high div player mercing for a very low skill team, Don't think Iceland actually has any high div players worth mentioning.</blockquote>
steve holt is a well known b4nny alt]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2013 23:32:31 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Hallow</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-26814/page-2/?recent=463765#post=463755</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[RYDER?????????]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2013 21:42:25 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Freakie</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from CanFo</i>
		<blockquote>So you are suggesting to allow mercs that are not from the same country? I only just realised that. Wouldn't that kind of destroy the purpose of a nations cup and national teams?</blockquote>

I'm fairly sure it's just an example of an unrostered high div player mercing for a very low skill team, Don't think Iceland actually has any high div players worth mentioning.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2013 21:35:12 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Mervin</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from b33p</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

 If Iceland or wherever wants b4nny as a merc, a huge game changer, the other team can say no.</blockquote>

Not sure if troll or serious...]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2013 21:24:34 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by raugnioz</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from CanFo</i>
		<blockquote>So you are suggesting to allow mercs that are not from the same country? I only just realised that. Wouldn't that kind of destroy the purpose of a nations cup and national teams?</blockquote>

yes it would, +1]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2013 20:47:31 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by CannonFodd3r</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-26814/page-2/?recent=463765#post=463745</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[So you are suggesting to allow mercs that are not from the same country? I only just realised that. Wouldn't that kind of destroy the purpose of a nations cup and national teams?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2013 20:37:28 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by b33p_</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-26814/page-2/?recent=463765#post=463742</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from kKaltUu</i>
		<blockquote>[...]
http://etf2l.org/forum/user/21695/
http://etf2l.org/forum/user/48105/

Thanks for calling my co-leader a liar. </blockquote>

Yeah, Quell messaged me about that, I must not have clicked those two profiles. Sorry Quell.

Doesn't really make a difference though, most countries have plenty of TF2 players and their leaders don't understand what it's like. 2/3 mercs if the other team explicitly agrees and a wildcard would help small countries out and wouldn't affect the large countries. Leaders can come to an agreement to play a reasonable game of highlander. If Iceland or wherever wants b4nny as a merc, a huge game changer, the other team can say no. But if they want some guy in div 2 to merc which allows the game to continue, and avoid a default loss, well why the hell not? Where did all the fun go? The teams which are going to be in the finals etc. have plenty of high div players, this won't affect the competition negatively.

Giving a default is not what brought this to my attention. I assumed the rules were the same as the normal highlander league. There was not a separate set of rules for the highlander cup from the beginning, correct me if I'm wrong, and I found it strange that the rules were different (edit:) when a new rule page was created.

Anyway, things will stay the same, I understand.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2013 20:08:28 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by kKaltUu</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-26814/page-2/?recent=463765#post=463727</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from b33p</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

This...this is a lie. One person, 'Anne'! And the average number of matches played for each player in your team is about 60! Don't be doggin' on the small countries man, get outta here!</blockquote>
http://etf2l.org/forum/user/21695/
http://etf2l.org/forum/user/48105/

Thanks for calling my co-leader a liar. 


<i>Quoted from b33p</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

You don't appreciate the difficulty small counties have; this is going nowhere. 

You're resisting change as per your prerogative. All right. Thanks for listening.</blockquote>
Having a small country has it's disadvantages, but countries smaller than IE are able to compete without problems.

We've specifically asked for captain applications to gather the most competent players from a country that can lead it. People that know how scheduling works within a certain time frame. 

Having players with other minor commitments in other leagues/formats is not a reason for us to change our format. That's just poor planning on (both) leader(s') side.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2013 18:08:15 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by b33p_</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-26814/page-2/?recent=463765#post=463714</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Permzilla</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

I am referring to Week 2, where Ireland did not have any games. Of course there are a lot of games to fit in, I'm not denying that. You had to play a game every 5 days, honestly it's not as hard as you're making it out to be.</blockquote>

You don't appreciate the difficulty small counties have; this is going nowhere. 

You're resisting change as per your prerogative. All right. Thanks for listening.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2013 17:30:10 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by atmo</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[i knew b33p was trouble when he wrested control of the HL NC team from my disinterested hands]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2013 04:51:23 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Bulow</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Permzilla</i>
		<blockquote>
It is not revolving around i49, it is to prevent the playoff rounds from both the HLNC and the 6V6NC from clashing, as lots of players will be involved in both. With the schedule we had, it just seemed fitting to finish it before i49 rather than have a break randomly between Quarter and Semi Finals.</blockquote>

Those poor lambs, having to play two officials in a week!  And that's a seven day week too...]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2013 03:40:49 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Permzilla</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from b33p</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Oh please. A week off? We had to play 4 matches in the space of about 15 days during which time the people who actually play highlander also had 2 UGC officials. What is this week off you're referring to? Either way, there was a lot to squeeze in within a short period of time; 6 officials in just over two weeks if you're willing to have a holistic view and accept that players into highlander are likely playing UGC.

There is disparity between how highlander is handled and how 6v6 is handled which is unfortunate. Not just with the short "weeks" and the cup, even the general league. ETF2L does highlander better than UGC but it's only twice a year and the groups are tiny. I digress. I think it is reasonable to allow even two mercs and one wildcard, and schedule it better so it does not revolve around a 6v6 event (i49 basically).

[...]

This...this is a lie. One person, 'Anne'! And the average number of matches played for each player in your team is about 60! Don't be doggin' on the small countries man, get outta here!</blockquote>

I am referring to Week 2, where Ireland did not have any games. Of course there are a lot of games to fit in, I'm not denying that. You had to play a game every 5 days, honestly it's not as hard as you're making it out to be.

ETF2L does highlander rarely due to the fact that it clashes with 6v6. I opened the feedback thread to look at the option of running more HL seasons, but people didn't like it. Please don't act like it's ETF2L's fault there are not more HL seasons.

It is not revolving around i49, it is to prevent the playoff rounds from both the HLNC and the 6V6NC from clashing, as lots of players will be involved in both. With the schedule we had, it just seemed fitting to finish it before i49 rather than have a break randomly between Quarter and Semi Finals.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2013 02:35:14 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by b33p_</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-26814/page-1/?recent=463765#post=463646</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Permzilla</i>
		<blockquote>[...]
The default dates were most definitely not random. This is to prevent being biased towards a certain team, the default dates that were going to be given out were decided before the Cup began.

As has been said before, a catch up week would severely delay the competition, which has been scheduled to finish before i49. In your group of 5 you already had a week off, maybe you could have asked to play a game during that?</blockquote>

Oh please. A week off? We had to play 4 matches in the space of about 15 days during which time the people who actually play highlander also had 2 UGC officials. What is this week off you're referring to? Either way, there was a lot to squeeze in within a short period of time; 6 officials in just over two weeks if you're willing to have a holistic view and accept that players into highlander are likely playing UGC.

There is disparity between how highlander is handled and how 6v6 is handled which is unfortunate. Not just with the short "weeks" and the cup, even the general league. ETF2L does highlander better than UGC but it's only twice a year and the groups are tiny. I digress. I think it is reasonable to allow even two mercs and one wildcard, and schedule it better so it does not revolve around a 6v6 event (i49 basically).

<i>Quoted from quell</i>
		<blockquote>[...]
we've got people on our roster that have never even played competitive period! ;)</blockquote>

This...this is a lie. One person, 'Anne'! And the average number of matches played for each player in your team is about 60! Don't be doggin' on the small countries man, get outta here!]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2013 01:58:13 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Bulow</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from CanFo</i>
		<blockquote>
We tried to minimise the overlap as good as we could. One cup had to start earlier and it just happened to be the HL NC. i49 seemed to be a good time to have it wrapped up.</blockquote>

Perhaps in future it might be better to do things the other way around?  I know that 6v6 Season 15 is still ongoing, but that’s only been true for about 5% of the player base for the last month or so.  At the same time, the HL nations cup started in the middle of a UGC highlander season; obviously this doesn’t affect everyone, but given the ‘weeks’ employed, this can mean 3 officials in an actual week.  That’s not necessarily the admins’ problem, of course, but I do find it strange that more time is given for scheduling and playing 6v6 than 9v9.  In my experience, it is easier to do the former than the latter – and that is factoring in the fact that I can get *anyone* to play for my highlander team.  Smaller countries will presumably find it harder to field a 9 every five days than a 6 every seven days.  It might work out better for them if these time frames were swapped around.


		<blockquote>That is only logical but why should that be an issue and what does that have to do with the topic?</blockquote>

Hildreth referred to the increase in workload for the admins in his first post.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2013 20:12:58 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by E-thug</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[I have no issues with the Nations cup :X both of em]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2013 20:04:11 +0200</pubDate>
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