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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;best innocent fr&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by deus</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-2551/page-6/?recent=33337#post=33337</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[my 50 cents are that you are cheating flo.
If an admin says that you're mouse is moving on a steady interval every 0.45 seconds from body to head or to whatever part. It's almost impossible to spot. Even if the box on the cheat says CONGRATS for putting your money in this awsome cheat wich NOBODY CAN DETECT!!! EVEN NOT THE HUMAN EYE!! they just forget to say that in spec mode your cursor registers every tiny move. 

When I got elija banned they didnt think this through yet and he also kept claiming he had no hax etc.
While I had a really obvious stupid demo of him where his cursor turns 100 times per second while aiming 'something really obvious and typicall from an aimbot' and he claimed that his mouse was broke or that any good heavy turns his mouse around REALLY REALLY fast I mean LOL!!! try spinning your mouse around a target 100 times per second and hitting him dead on.

Especially old ones. (says a person who actually was anti cheat admin for bout 4 major cs servers and user of cheats in cs1.6 wich can be read of my profile. quite fun running around with a speedhack obviously and just knifing every1)

Nway so what I'm trying to say is the admins don't ban without a grounded reason. As for the innocent french arent all cheaters trying to get some pr0 discrimination out there... doesnt really work well. As it didnt for elija wich also was a french guy...

Makes me really wonder wtf french people got with haxing? and especially in tf2????? I mean lol man besides sniper and maybe even scout. Wich doesnt really improve your stupid gamesence cause you suck nway whats the point really? 

Even wallhacks cant help cause your team IS the wallhack... rely on ur comms and you got a better wallhack then any cheat could possibly offer... so enough with this damn stupid frenchies are innocent thread..

you cheated game over close this damn thread wlv. and to flo grow some damn balls.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 13:16:20 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Guardian</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-2551/page-5/?recent=33337#post=33328</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Oh yes, it's a shame to try to proof his innocence, and we should be slap for this.
Give me the definition of the presumption of innocence Mole, and i'll laugh again when an admin will say for the 1 348 times : we can't give any proof.
I'll be  a nice person and help you for the definition : being innocent until proven guilty
But the fact is that we got a sanction, no proof, so what is the problem ? 

We watched the Granary demo against uP, and all that we can see is a low scout who needs 8 shots to kill a medic. And what, it's with an aimbot he kills the medic ? Please open your eyes or what you are using as eyes..

Look at the demo, before give any statement...]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:47:49 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by ChOun</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-2551/page-5/?recent=33337#post=33327</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[paranoia land, everything is said.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:46:27 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Ino</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-2551/page-5/?recent=33337#post=33323</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[+1 to what J3 said]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:40:52 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by j3tstream</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-2551/page-5/?recent=33337#post=33317</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I remember that he said it was one of the demos.
Anyway I let the demos public in the best interest of the community and to help clear things. And to help admins in any case.

So why are u guys discussing publicly this again? If u can have a chat with the admins fine, just do it.
If u r still baned after that just get over it...
Community cant help more then i did, our opinions are not evidênce, and have no value in the banning discussion.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:18:37 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by a</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-2551/page-5/?recent=33337#post=33315</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I got accused of hacks once...LOL VALI.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:15:31 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Mole</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-2551/page-5/?recent=33337#post=33314</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Stop being kids over this. The way you are all acting you should all have the bans stand regardless of whether they're right. I'm tired of seeing you all spamming your shit everywhere. You don't deserve to be unbanned. You barely even read the comments properly and make yourself look stupid time and time again.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:11:33 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by xtala</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-2551/page-5/?recent=33337#post=33312</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[How do your even know it was only based on those 6 shots, afaik you won't be banned cause of one suspicous scene (as it was said in the logs)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:47:38 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Flo</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-2551/page-5/?recent=33337#post=33291</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[@Bash : J3 posted demo where i supposed cheat.

@Jh : Sorry it's not against you.

Admins banned me because there are 2 or 3 "strange" headshot and you can see that is totaly possible.

I'm sad, ETF2L ban me with one demo, one map and the descision is disputable.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:34:16 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Jh</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-2551/page-5/?recent=33337#post=33289</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA["If you find i cheated here, so Jh and bloodshire have good aimbot too."

lol ok, it's like people rate me as a player because of my movie. lawlz]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:26:22 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Bash</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-2551/page-5/?recent=33337#post=33284</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Christ you're all dense, obviously he is not going to upload a demo of himself hacking and then telling you to check for hacks. Whether he is clean or not he's going to post a clean demo. This is a pathetic attempt and proves Nothing.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:23:02 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Guardian</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-2551/page-5/?recent=33337#post=33276</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[" What I was trying to say is that you can´t prove anything with the demo. How does him killing a medic in 4 shots prove him innocent? Isn´t it possible that he just got those shots without using the aimbot? Or maybe he used it on the last shot because he wanted to get the job done? You don´t know, and you can´t know. "

So we can't know, but admins can know ? 

I'll say that : how does killing a medic in 4 shots prove that he's a cheater ?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:52:11 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Napoleon</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-2551/page-5/?recent=33337#post=33268</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA["it’s too bad that etf2l dont let me prove my innocence"
How are you going to prove your innocence, by showing a new demo?

"Don’t care. I’m not here to fight the world :)"
It seems that you are fighting the world, you want to be unbanned but cant say why you should be unbanned, and dont start with I didnt cheat thats why.

"Just omg How you can see that i cheat in this demo. I hard suxed in this pcw. If you find i cheated here, so Jh and bloodshire have good aimbot too."
Hmm you are now compairing you to other players, wrong action TBH. Also playing bad and using cheats are 2 things.

Im not saying he cheated, I havent seen anything and I am not interested but Flo and Thyp0n are putting up a nice act without making good arguments.

If everybody starts to question ETF2L and there decisions that we should stop. I think that they made a decision and I thrust that they did it profesionaly without banning inocent players]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 08:28:42 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Flo</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-2551/page-5/?recent=33337#post=33260</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Just omg How you can see that i cheat in this demo. I hard suxed in this pcw. If you find i cheated here, so Jh and bloodshire have good aimbot too.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:31:15 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Redman350</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-2551/page-5/?recent=33337#post=33252</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I'm not arguing that a scout who makes smart kills is hacking, I'm simply arguing that a smart hacker isn't going to flaunt his stuff. According to you, someone who scores low points can't be hacking, which is complete and utter bullshit.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 05:52:28 +0100</pubDate>
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