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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;Anti-cheat client?&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by Animal</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-24926/page-2/?recent=441061#post=441061</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from KillAri</i>
		<blockquote>
Edit from animal's edit : It can help me if people provide their logs.</blockquote>get in touch with anakin? he has all the logs from all servers]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2013 14:08:02 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Frix</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-24926/page-2/?recent=441061#post=441056</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[esl wire is just awfull. The lag and problems with that program I got are just not worth it]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2013 13:59:58 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by killari</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-24926/page-2/?recent=441061#post=441044</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Sketch</i>
		<blockquote>what happened to anakins anti cheat. that was awesome</blockquote>

Lot of people don't trust this anti cheat and don't know how to use it. I actualy never see a log from someone else than me. 
Lot of false positiv too.

And use anti cheat server? If the cheat didn't bypass the anti cheat like esl wire (ex aequitass), people will never use this sort of server, coz they are going to use their own server.
So, use a rules where peoples are forced to use etf2l server? Etf2l don't have this money and human ressource.


Edit from animal's edit : It can help me if people provide their logs.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2013 13:16:11 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Animal</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-24926/page-2/?recent=441061#post=441043</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Sketch</i>
		<blockquote>what happened to anakins anti cheat. that was awesome</blockquote>valve patched the server side part of exploit... essentially it was exploit in source engine that allowed to grab screenshots in first place... and it pretty much caught cheaters only because they didnt know public servers used this because bypassing it was actually as easy as unbinding screenshot key when you choose class :D

the anticheat still works and is getting updated, but atm it only is using triggerbot detection and is pretty useless unless you care to look through demos]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2013 13:14:45 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by stuNtz</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-24926/page-2/?recent=441061#post=441031</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[idd support this if there were more ppl caring about a cheat free league.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2013 12:46:16 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by fraac</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-24926/page-1/?recent=441061#post=441017</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[You can get a ballpark total number of cheats by multiplying the number of caught cheats by the number of times TviQ's demos were reviewed in the same period before he was caught. Probably fewer than 100.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2013 12:03:33 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Sketch</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-24926/page-1/?recent=441061#post=441015</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[what happened to anakins anti cheat. that was awesome]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2013 11:59:23 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Snowdream</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-24926/page-1/?recent=441061#post=441013</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from AnimaL</i>
		<blockquote>[...]http://www.easyanticheat.net/server-licensing

minimum is 93 euros/month (vat included) + game server costs</blockquote>

For 50 servers that isn't so bad, considering you could probably run (nearly?) the whole league on it. that's just an guess though, taking into account the fact that you can schedule a game whenever you like, not all at the same time like UGC.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2013 11:46:51 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by sick-lizard</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-24926/page-1/?recent=441061#post=441008</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Fallen</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

It's not like its a massive prize fund to begin with, after you take out the cost of anti cheat software you might as well play for nothing.</blockquote>

like 95% of people do already?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2013 11:05:30 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Fallenxien</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-24926/page-1/?recent=441061#post=441004</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Black_Bob</i>
		<blockquote>Since there is really only prize money in prem, could we just run a couple servers with anti cheat for all prem games? Maybe fund it by taking out a little bit from the prize fund.</blockquote>

It's not like its a massive prize fund to begin with, after you take out the cost of anti cheat software you might as well play for nothing.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:42:20 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Animal</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-24926/page-1/?recent=441061#post=441003</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Black_Bob</i>
		<blockquote>Since there is really only prize money in prem, could we just run a couple servers with anti cheat for all prem games? Maybe fund it by taking out a little bit from the prize fund.</blockquote>http://www.easyanticheat.net/server-licensing

minimum is 93 euros/month (vat included) + game server costs]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:41:11 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Netsky</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-24926/page-1/?recent=441061#post=441002</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Black_Bob</i>
		<blockquote>Since there is really only prize money in prem, could we just run a couple servers with anti cheat for all prem games? Maybe fund it by taking out a little bit from the prize fund.</blockquote>
That would "solve" the server part so to say, but were would you take ze monies for the server-side AC?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:40:26 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Black_Bob</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-24926/page-1/?recent=441061#post=441001</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Since there is really only prize money in prem, could we just run a couple servers with anti cheat for all prem games? Maybe fund it by taking out a little bit from the prize fund.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:36:10 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Animal</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-24926/page-1/?recent=441061#post=440993</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Because eu tf2 community is bunch in whining pricks who qq every time they have to even change their nick name for officials... Imagine what happens when they have to go as far as installing something and checking it before game... 

Also server side anticheats are a no go because they are expensive and you need to provide these servers,  so etf2l would need to provide at least 20+ servers without even the cost of ac itself.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2013 07:40:09 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by CursedGhost</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-24926/page-1/?recent=441061#post=440990</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from dodgydogman</i>
		<blockquote>I think its quite a lot to do with the difference that hacking in cs compared to tf2 can help. Things like 2d radar or wallhacks can make you an absolute god in cs, but in tf2 its still usefull but they dont break the game so maybe its just less of an issue..</blockquote>

Use your imagination: http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/577857239723160113/6A5F5D738B2AB77AAA996D470967505774D4F479/
Disclaimer: I do not condone cheating in competitive play]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2013 04:02:52 +0100</pubDate>
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