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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;Spawn building in badwater&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by bobbler</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from envy</i>
		<blockquote>[...]
http://www.titaniumteddybear.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/husky-dog-says-at-least-you-tried.jpg</blockquote>
well, the alternative is to build a sentry at the end of tunnel, which usually, at best gets 1-2 kills then dies. Doing this is enough of a distraction to allow other 'real' bombing classes to pop a medic in most cases]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2012 07:42:41 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by rumia</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-23362/page-2/?recent=419946#post=419872</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from lawn</i>
		<blockquote>
my average contribution to a match with my lvl 3 sentry
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http://www.titaniumteddybear.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/husky-dog-says-at-least-you-tried.jpg]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 16:26:53 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by bobbler</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[or you could just wrangle it and tank all the shots, repairing any damage

my average contribution to a match with my lvl 3 sentry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uqlwyl-Cej0

I might make a compilation of these jumps. They fail 99% of the time and every time they're hillarious]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 15:03:46 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Lucky_Pierre</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-23362/page-2/?recent=419946#post=419744</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from rat</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

A level 3 sg in the tunnel while attacking is quite useful. It can rack up quite a number of kills or force the other team's uber. You can also avoid the initial door spam by being smart and equiping the Short Circuit ;).</blockquote>

This is indeed the precise tactic I use/stole from Dave+ of -ts- :)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:36:49 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by r.at</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Lucky_Pierre</i>
		<blockquote>It can be used/abused(?) to build a level 3 SG when attacking, but then only idiots do that right?? ;) 

If you put a teleporter entrance there can it be sapped?  I've never used it for a tele spot (too busy building lvl3 SGs).</blockquote>

A level 3 sg in the tunnel while attacking is quite useful. It can rack up quite a number of kills or force the other team's uber. You can also avoid the initial door spam by being smart and equiping the Short Circuit ;).]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:03:39 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Lucky_Pierre</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[It can be used/abused(?) to build a level 3 SG when attacking, but then only idiots do that right?? ;) 

If you put a teleporter entrance there can it be sapped?  I've never used it for a tele spot (too busy building lvl3 SGs).]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 12:05:43 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Pasta</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from lawn</i>
		<blockquote>[...]
you got the details wrong again btw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7LW9ZBzXkU

it's worth noting that building here is even worse than in the past (when it was also allowed)


for one, dispensers do not maintain overheals anymore, so you can't use it to leave spawn with your team with the definite maximum amount of buff given to every team member

Also, sentrys can no longer be picked up from the inside of spawn, so you can't pick it up and run deeper into spawn with it to avoid spam

with this in mind, when it was allowed in the past when you could do these things with no gamechanging effects, I don't see a reason to ban it now</blockquote>

God damnit, didn't know that.
Either way, the result is the same. 
Near-useless spawn building]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:28:17 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by bobbler</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-23362/page-2/?recent=419946#post=418803</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Kvux</i>
		<blockquote>[...]
My mistake, 2 things if gunslinger is used for the left gate then :p
I guess it's a matter of space
And yes, Crouton. I definitely listed the possibilities for each spot, so that people would know if they didn't. That I was wrong and Spike corrected me, is another thing
Anyway, I think everybody got the point.</blockquote>
you got the details wrong again btw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7LW9ZBzXkU

it's worth noting that building here is even worse than in the past (when it was also allowed)


for one, dispensers do not maintain overheals anymore, so you can't use it to leave spawn with your team with the definite maximum amount of buff given to every team member

Also, sentrys can no longer be picked up from the inside of spawn, so you can't pick it up and run deeper into spawn with it to avoid spam

with this in mind, when it was allowed in the past when you could do these things with no gamechanging effects, I don't see a reason to ban it now]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 12:06:59 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Pasta</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Spike Himself</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Actually, last night on a pub someone managed to build a dispenser as well as a mini sentry!

Anyway, as Perm said, this is allowed. The buildings wouldn't be hidden, so it's not completely impossible for the opposing team to destroy them (as opposed to the gpit bug), therefore it's not a big deal :)</blockquote>
My mistake, 2 things if gunslinger is used for the left gate then :p
I guess it's a matter of space
And yes, Crouton. I definitely listed the possibilities for each spot, so that people would know if they didn't. That I was wrong and Spike corrected me, is another thing
Anyway, I think everybody got the point.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:28:18 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Dukermons</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Aylonwee</i>
		<blockquote>...the issue isn't building stuff....its buildings being unbreakable.</blockquote>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa6z41EOt4o#t=17]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:16:01 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by kunnyfunt</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[the difference between building shit in badwater and gravelpit (or more recently, ashville.) is that you can destroy the buildings in badwater spawn whereas in gravelpit or ashvile there is a door blocking damage to the buildings. buildings in badwater are just as destructible as buildings outside of spawn. the issue isn't building stuff in spawn, its buildings being unbreakable.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:57:52 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by croaton</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Spike Himself</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Actually, last night on a pub someone managed to build a dispenser as well as a mini sentry!</blockquote>

I think "dp" was supposed to be dispenser.

He just listed the different buildings you can make. Possibly to help people studying for their engineer exams.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:39:28 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Spike Himself</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Kvux</i>
		<blockquote>you can build 1 thing(sg,tp,dp)</blockquote>

Actually, last night on a pub someone managed to build a dispenser as well as a mini sentry!

Anyway, as Perm said, this is allowed. The buildings wouldn't be hidden, so it's not completely impossible for the opposing team to destroy them (as opposed to the gpit bug), therefore it's not a big deal :)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:29:23 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Pasta</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Rake</i>
		<blockquote>Can you actually build inside the badwater spawn so that you cant destroy the building? Cause if you're talking about the place where you can build shit during setup inside the gate its hardly the same thing.</blockquote>
Yeah, I'm not sure what exactly he was referring to. But I assume it's the left door where you can build 1 thing(sg,tp,dp), but that's nowhere near a problem considering it's just by the door.
The one of gravel is alot different, you can build 1-2 things on one of the computers. Which is inside the same room as the resupply locker, behind locked doors..
What exactly are we discussing?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:18:43 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Rake</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Can you actually build inside the badwater spawn so that you cant destroy the building? Cause if you're talking about the place where you can build shit during setup inside the gate its hardly the same thing.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2012 01:05:51 +0100</pubDate>
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