- Macewindu <- some people will get it, for the rest of you: ignore him.

Chill Vali xD We wanted a special place to discuss ETF2L matters between admins and players who actually cared, a place for more thorough and serious discussion. We got it. Yes, it's not the best implementation, but the admins have their reasons for using a phpbb. I took the trouble to register, it takes like 10 seconds. Yes, having a seperate thread for each unlock is silly, but there is enough room to adress thát exact issue on the forums themselves.

[...]Now with the Idea Box, you've made what many/several/I feel is a subpar implementation of a rather good idea because it is the way the admin team wanted to do it and now you're using this as an excuse to ignore any criticism from elsewhere on the basis of having the Idea Box. Why would we only have ourselves to blame for you forcing it on us?

You go freshmeatt, yeah!

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Their rulesets are in fact entirely designed by admins, who listen to feedback only as much as it takes to keep teams playing. They are not democracies and I have no idea where people get the misconception that they would have more voice in a paid business than they have with volunteers genuinely interested in helping the scene. We've created a new channel for feedback via the Idea Box. This is the first time ETF2L has openly invited people to get involved with shaping the league on such a scale, more open than it has ever been. Any player in the league who does not provide feedback on the new forums, whether div6 or prem, will have nobody but themselves to blame. It's time we start calling things by their names. Forum rants are naught but wind. When you want change, you must take action - propose change in a constructive manner(feedback) or volunteer to make change happen(join staff). Doing nothing accomplishes nothing.

Some people around here are so cocky and arrogant

[...]That's a bit harsh, however I do think that you would have more say in what happens in a payed league because you're paying for it. Like, obviously. If someone gives you something as a gift they're not going to replace it or take feedback on said thing if it breaks/you don't like it. If you bought it from them on a contract kind of payment (pay to get in league, play league, league ends and repeat is what i'm going for) plan you would actually be listened to, because that person would want you to come back and pay again.

The customer is always right does not apply to someone that isn't paying.

emb, the utter bullshit u just wrote is incredible, i applaud to ur ability to live on some shiny cloud and have such ignorant and wicked view on all this... too bad its not related at all to whats happening here atm (or has happened to tf2)

[...] Past is past. Most of admins are now from lower divisions and that's very bad no matter from what angle you look at it.

I imagine that in the future, ETF2L will be worth around 3.5 billion dollars. Crasp will realise this eventually and have a heart attack, putting him into hospital for a good period of time and leaving it to public vote as to who should take over the site. Here's how it'll go down: dunc, seeing how much it's worth, will apply (out of greed). He will recieve a grand total of 0 votes (he tried to vote for himself but missed, voting for this next applicant) eXtine and the folks at eXtv will try to take it over to truly enhance the competitive scene further (even though it's already worth 3.5 billion). They make 10 extravision episodes in the space of a week to increase their chances of winning. Every 5th second, eXtine shouts "YAAAAOOOOO" and every 10th second, shdwpuppet says, in a rather innocent and pathetic voice: "ooh yay etf2l yaaayy". They will scrape second. Evil will apply, seeing this as his final chance to truly kill TF2 by selling the site to EA. He will come second to last, only recieving few (ironic) votes. Many randoms will sign up just for the sake of trying to be head admin of a site worth 3.5 billion. They get few circlejerk votes, but they're obviously not going to win. The winner will be none other than our very own Fisshu. He signs up in a stoned state, not knowing what the fuck he was signing up for and eventually wins. He makes massive changes to ETF2L, dropping it's value to less than what it is worth today. The TF2 scene ends not with a bang, but with a fizzle.