ETF2L – Latest activity in “Quickfix cup?” https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-21832/ Reply by Cunlico https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-21832/page-2/?recent=393009#post=393009 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=21832&post=393009 Sat, 30 Jun 2012 17:31:56 +0200 Reply by h1 https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-21832/page-2/?recent=393009#post=392873 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=21832&post=392873 Sat, 30 Jun 2012 02:27:17 +0200 Reply by Eledorian https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-21832/page-2/?recent=393009#post=392862 Quoted from skeej
[...] Surely we can think of some way to allow all mediguns but promote the use of the QF? Aside from some complicated point scoring system based on medigun used (too hard to implement) and randomly assigning 1 team in each cup match to be forced to use the QF all the time (unfair), I can't think of anything currently though.
1 Map played twice per round? 1 team uses Quickfix other tries to counter it using kritz/uber, after first round switch it around. Gives both teams the chance to explore the full aspects of the weapon (and countering it), only downside is that it might take longer (unless you want to reduce winlimit/difference/timelimit).]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=21832&post=392862 Sat, 30 Jun 2012 00:59:40 +0200 Reply by Selektionsfaktor https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-21832/page-2/?recent=393009#post=392860 Quoted from Regen
[...] True, that will make the people go, Hurrrr you've got 2 medics we've only got 1 we don't want to play you guys.
That didn't answer my question. I read the original reason for allowing only one medic was the Über mechanic and healing. Since the QF has a worse Über and no overheal, he might not be as game-changing, but could allow different playstyles, e.g. the QF-Roamer-Jumper. And I asked if that would be viable or not.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=21832&post=392860 Sat, 30 Jun 2012 00:49:40 +0200 Reply by emb https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-21832/page-2/?recent=393009#post=392854 Quoted from skeej
Surely we can think of some way to allow all mediguns but promote the use of the QF? Aside from some complicated point scoring system based on medigun used (too hard to implement) and randomly assigning 1 team in each cup match to be forced to use the QF all the time (unfair), I can't think of anything currently though.
Allowing teams a free choice of medigun at the same time is dangerously prone to having both teams ditch the Quickfix and "play to win". Locking one team into Quickfix puts one team at a severe disadvantage, by removing the element of surprise and ridding them of tactical choice. How are you going to hold last versus a charged uber/kritz? The Quickfix vs Quickfix restriction isn't final btw, we're still debating the best way to approach this cup.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=21832&post=392854 Sat, 30 Jun 2012 00:17:21 +0200 Reply by Pricee https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-21832/page-2/?recent=393009#post=392846 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=21832&post=392846 Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:25:06 +0200 Reply by skeej https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-21832/page-2/?recent=393009#post=392844 Quoted from emb
[...] We already had an experimental cup with all mediguns allowed. From what I remember, most teams dismissed the quickfix early in their match without even giving it a good try. The quickfix requires adaptation. If you just charge headfirst into a team that had time to buff everyone, you die. If you let them build uber/kritz safely, you die. Teams need to experiment a bit and see how the game changes without overheal or godmode. If you put them up against opponents who use uber/kritz, they are extremely likely to ditch their "handicap", slip back into the comfort zone of the old mediguns and stay there for the rest of the map. Besides, one night cups are all about having fun. And two bouncing medics will be way more fun than one.
Your concerns are valid but making it a QF-only cup will not do us much good. No high-div teams will sign up, some random teams will dick around with the QF, and we'll all forget about the unlock again. It's alright if all you want is a 1 night fun cup, but if you want some more solid testing ground I think we need more. Surely we can think of some way to allow all mediguns but promote the use of the QF? Aside from some complicated point scoring system based on medigun used (too hard to implement) and randomly assigning 1 team in each cup match to be forced to use the QF all the time (unfair), I can't think of anything currently though.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=21832&post=392844 Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:15:12 +0200 Reply by Regen https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-21832/page-2/?recent=393009#post=392820 Quoted from Selek
Well, allowing does not mean necessitate.
True, that will make the people go, Hurrrr you've got 2 medics we've only got 1 we don't want to play you guys.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=21832&post=392820 Fri, 29 Jun 2012 21:28:44 +0200 Reply by Selektionsfaktor https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-21832/page-2/?recent=393009#post=392817 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=21832&post=392817 Fri, 29 Jun 2012 21:05:54 +0200 Reply by Hildreth https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-21832/page-2/?recent=393009#post=392580 Quoted from Selek
So... what would happen if you allowed two Medics, one is allowed to use the QF only?
Good luck finding 4 people out of 12 in this game that want to play medic. :D]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=21832&post=392580 Fri, 29 Jun 2012 03:03:14 +0200 Reply by Selektionsfaktor https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-21832/page-2/?recent=393009#post=392578 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=21832&post=392578 Fri, 29 Jun 2012 02:42:13 +0200 Reply by emb https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-21832/page-1/?recent=393009#post=392575 Quoted from nTraum
[...] Uhm what? I think what skeej is trying to say is that evaluating wether the QF suits into our beloved 6on6 gameplay or not becomes much much harder when introducing addiotional non-standard-gameplay elements into the cup (e.g. by banning kritz / uber). I have to agree that discrete unlocks-testing makes much more sense than mixing 21 new weapons together and then trying to argue how each weapon on it's own may or may not influences gameplay somehow.
We already had an experimental cup with all mediguns allowed. From what I remember, most teams dismissed the quickfix early in their match without even giving it a good try. The quickfix requires adaptation. If you just charge headfirst into a team that had time to buff everyone, you die. If you let them build uber/kritz safely, you die. Teams need to experiment a bit and see how the game changes without overheal or godmode. If you put them up against opponents who use uber/kritz, they are extremely likely to ditch their "handicap", slip back into the comfort zone of the old mediguns and stay there for the rest of the map. Besides, one night cups are all about having fun. And two bouncing medics will be way more fun than one.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=21832&post=392575 Fri, 29 Jun 2012 02:12:39 +0200 Reply by Dukermons https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-21832/page-1/?recent=393009#post=392566 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=21832&post=392566 Fri, 29 Jun 2012 01:08:00 +0200 Reply by Admirable https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-21832/page-1/?recent=393009#post=392564 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=21832&post=392564 Fri, 29 Jun 2012 01:00:52 +0200 Reply by Juniorsatan https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-21832/page-1/?recent=393009#post=392562 Quoted from emb
[...] And Uber vs Uber does what?
Uhm what? I think what skeej is trying to say is that evaluating wether the QF suits into our beloved 6on6 gameplay or not becomes much much harder when introducing addiotional non-standard-gameplay elements into the cup (e.g. by banning kritz / uber). I have to agree that discrete unlocks-testing makes much more sense than mixing 21 new weapons together and then trying to argue how each weapon on it's own may or may not influences gameplay somehow.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=21832&post=392562 Fri, 29 Jun 2012 00:54:44 +0200