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    	    <title>Reply by Sonny Black</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-20719/page-2/?recent=371716#post=371716</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Closed on request]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:31:55 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Persei</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-20719/page-2/?recent=371716#post=371715</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Permzilla</i>
		<blockquote>it's their problem you don't have 6 people? nope.

not agreeing with taking default, that's just not a decent argument</blockquote>

We wanted to play with 5, they didn't want... not fair to get default win]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:31:44 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by NeuTronas</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-20719/page-2/?recent=371716#post=371714</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[By the way funny thing was:

First week. We're 5 in their server and we asked for merc, they were just discussing about 30 minutes with admins, other members and they said no.
Then we wanted to play that match in 5

Rule:
2.1.2 Minimum of 5 players needed to play a match

But they said: no you are late we don't have time, we will take def win :D]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:31:39 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Permzilla</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-20719/page-2/?recent=371716#post=371713</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[it's their problem you don't have 6 people? nope.

not agreeing with taking default, that's just not a decent argument]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:31:04 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Persei</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-20719/page-2/?recent=371716#post=371712</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from rytis</i>
		<blockquote>http://www.imgwiz.com/images/40convo.png
also imho admins cant do much, ofcourse they can do this and take defaults or not allow mercs - fair enough, <strong>dont schedule your officials when your players can't play. take a wildcard :D</strong></blockquote>

the last weekend before the match against LAG two of our players left and we had to trial, ok then, we had 1 merc for that match and then 5 of our players... Now, the merc doesn't show up and they don't allow another merc, WHAT THE FUCK?

And it's even better when you ask for a merc at 20:00 to them (Date of the match) because the one you had previously doesn't show up, AND THEY ANSWER 15 MINUTES LATER SAYING:

'' SORRY, DEFAULT WIN TAKEN ''

We even wanted to play 5, THEY DIDN'T WANT, IT IS JUST FAIR?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:29:35 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by vG</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-20719/page-2/?recent=371716#post=371709</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[maybe just get some more players in your roster, LAG move was gay, but its mainly your fault( heh i remember unexist vs La girafe =) )]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:22:44 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Theoz</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Tarduuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu</i>
		<blockquote>less qq</blockquote>]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:16:00 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by The Sniper</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-20719/page-2/?recent=371716#post=371703</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Nymthae</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

But then if a team can't play at a later suggested date then (ie. say one player on holiday, team had made efforts to play all games before then) what happens? If they get their full 6-point default then really it's a smack in the face to those who have to turn up and play again, why wouldn't they just say "we can't play".

Funny situation, although it's quite possible both you and Trick will overtake, given you look to have performed well over the season and have games vs two mid-table teams. Trick actually have to play LAG, so I guess then you'll see if they're up anywhere near.</blockquote>
I don't mean a default date set after they don't show up, I mean it's up to the teams again to schedule after the don't show up and it will remain not scheduled on their team page. If the team who didn't show up in the first place happens to win it perhaps the win will be 4-0 or 5-0 meaning, yes they won it being the better team but they take a little hit for not showing up. If there's a player on holiday you're well within your rights to wildcard or schedule at a later date. It looks to me as if LAG are just fishing for some gold pixels without doing their homework.

EDIT: I think that's pretty damn rude not to allow mercs on a locked week 7 too and just take the default. If they don't show up fair enough, see above but if it's not their fault then...]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:13:56 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by DELI</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-20719/page-2/?recent=371716#post=371702</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[it seems that this league is not about playing in the team and trying to win something, but on how to be asshole who just trying to score only a def wins. so for what are we playing we can make a def wins. but whatever. i guess we can do nothing with this and good luck for LAG in next season i need to see them in game]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:10:23 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by NeuTronas</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-20719/page-2/?recent=371716#post=371699</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I am pretty sure that they will take default win from Trick17 aswell because as the rule says:
No Wildcards: During week 7 using a wildcard is not valid. Rescheduling is only possible if both teams agree. If your opponent used a wildcard anyway, you should contact an admin on IRC to get the situation cleared with your opponent.

ANd Trick17 vs LAG is in week7 and Trick17 already took a Wildcard xD

That would be hilarious.

But if that's everything good, then I think i found fast way to high divs xD]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:04:20 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by ouch</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA["how could this happen?"
"entire team is babies!"
"bonk!"

CanFo = Badmin. blame him and no one else!!!! ( I know you like them tf2-vocals)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:04:15 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Elm0</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-20719/page-2/?recent=371716#post=371696</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[lulz default hunterz]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:03:33 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Nymthae</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Phrozen</i>
		<blockquote>Or you could just replay the games at a later date similar to a wildcard although perhaps as punishment to the team who didn't show even if they do win the replay they only get 4 or 5 points say but if the team who showed up both times wins the replay they'll get the 6 points like normal, I see no problems with this solution, if anyone would like to point them out?</blockquote>

But then if a team can't play at a later suggested date then (ie. say one player on holiday, team had made efforts to play all games before then) what happens? If they get their full 6-point default then really it's a smack in the face to those who have to turn up and play again, why wouldn't they just say "we can't play".

Funny situation, although it's quite possible both you and Trick will overtake, given you look to have performed well over the season and have games vs two mid-table teams. Trick actually have to play LAG, so I guess then you'll see if they're up anywhere near.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:01:46 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by vG</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-20719/page-1/?recent=371716#post=371691</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[less qq]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 17:59:39 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by CannonFodd3r</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-20719/page-2/?recent=371716#post=371692</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[If you want to let the admins know about this, why not !admin and tell us?
Apart from that, we know about the situation since we have been the ones entering the default wins all the time.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 17:59:39 +0100</pubDate>
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