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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;Golden Caps Feedback&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by Juniorsatan</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[It's fine.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 13:02:18 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Noeandee</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-20681/page-5/?recent=372683#post=372669</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I approve of Golden Cap. I think it's the best option. Seems to work for several seasons now and it's just plain clear and leaves no room for discussion amongst the teams.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:08:49 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by skeej</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-20681/page-5/?recent=372683#post=372384</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I think the 2-1 points divide is éxactly to promote risky play for the team who won the mid fight. I think the scoring system as it is, is meant to make the team go "well we got 1 point anyway now, lets just push".

Obviously that doesn't work.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 23:59:14 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Admirable</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-20681/page-4/?recent=372683#post=372363</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Out of interest, what is the point of the logic behind the Golden Cap scoring rules?

I mean the Golden Cap came in to make it a binary output for fixtures: you win or you lose. However, the admins chose to implement degrees of winning or losing with the Golden Cap scoring system.

The team that wins on a Golden Cap round still wins, whether it has taken 30 minutes or 40 minutes; I don't see the distinction here.  Why should they be punished for winning, and equally why should the losing team be rewarded for taking a long time to lose?

The rules begged to be ridiculed with the fact that Gravelpit is not subject to the Golden Cap scoring system... there seems to be no consistency of thought here.

I would suggest removing the Golden Cap scoring system, and simply having wins and loses.  Your reward for drawing after 30 minutes should surely be that you are given a second chance to win it outright, not a free league point?

You either win or you lose, it has to be black and white. Discuss.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 23:39:29 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by verostat</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[I liked the #pirateradio solution/Admirable's option 6  where you first played a 10 min, or whatever, GC and if no one won that you go for a first to take mid.

Regardless of whether you think there should be a GC in a regular league game the GC rules themselves need to be considered for playoffs and the likes, so the question is still an important one. Personally, I prefer to have no draws in league maps neither.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 15:08:14 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Aveng</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[I dont think its time to change the complete map system, and if it was im sure loads of ppl would have to many suggestions.

This thread is about the golden cap system and we should keep it about that.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:54:22 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by shdwpuppet</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-20681/page-4/?recent=372683#post=372045</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I like the idea of draws in the two map week, the solution to the problem of playoffs not being conducive to draw is to have all playoff rounds be best of three. This also gives us way more awesome games to play/watch, makes the winners more definitive and rewards teams that can play a variety of maps/gamestyles. If the length taken to play the playoff games is too much, reduce them to 20 minute no half games.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 19:34:13 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by qkls</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Let's do it like in ice hockey and have a penalty shootout round. Attacker (roamer) 1v1 against goalkeeper (medic).]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 10:11:48 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by jiite</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-20681/page-4/?recent=372683#post=371893</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[
		<blockquote>Keep GC for cups/playoffs and drop it for league matchs.</blockquote>]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 09:39:31 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by kaidus</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Monkeh</i>
		<blockquote>Play first to 5 instead of 30 minutes.... yes map may take a lot of time.  Play twice a week 1 map only, home and away.

Maybe we should learn something from our Yankee-Doodle-Dandee cousins.</blockquote>

Was about to post pretty much exactly this, apart from I'd consider going up to first to 6. The 5 rounds, 2 halves format always feels so broken with the second half being nearly always shorter than the first. Genuinely close games tend to go close to the full stretch of an hour anyway (ie. the extra round doesn't elongate the game that much for back-and-forth matches), whilst one-sided games go by with fast paced rounds so it doesn't really drag it out that much more than it needs to.

This used to be the system in mpuk pickups (minus the half time), and the games always had a very good flow. It changed to reflect the typical 6v6 format when windifference cvar was used, but perhaps we should all switch back...

Also +1 ads point about half time. Whenever I'm playing a officials lately I just wish to god I could take a few minutes and go over some things. I end up having to do it while we're holding a choke or something which has some pretty dire consequences.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 08:19:59 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Galant</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[From the "team champion of GCs in Season 11" (although Quarantine can steal our title): current GC rule set is good.

1. You can get some points winning GCs during the season.
2. They take strongly 10 min (so it is good for russian teams).
3. You lost mid fight? Your problem! Go and try something! When we lost mid on granary - we took Spy and killed opponent's medic with uber. Also one time we were holding opponent's 2nd point - but enemy did pretty good push and won that GC... So all situations are possible!]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 08:05:13 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Keyro</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[In my opinion, the golden cap rule was a real progress in competitive TF2 at the time and i'm very thankful of etf2l for that rule. It was needed in LANs and online cups so we can have a winner on each map during the brackets. More predictable schedule, less drama situations etc.

However i think you should remove GC of the regular league matchs, when you think about it there's no real point to have overtime in league matchs and no absolute need to have a winner in each map. Most leagues don't have that kind of system, for exemple in football the leagues allow draw.
The counter exemple would be basket because in NBA there's overtime/GC but there's not really matter of comparison because GC win = win and there's a load of match (82 matchs per season).

Keep GC for cups/playoffs and drop it for league matchs.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 00:35:10 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Tikcus</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[In the following order

USA System
allow Draws
Golden Cap = 1 full round

Yes it may last a while, but in reality if you are at 3-3 or 4-4 after 30 min, it's unlikley to last much more than 10 min, the currnt system just allows negative play.

Win mid, push and cap 4 and never attack last and turtle for 10 min, most maps played in etf2l (or 6v6 in general) it is almot mpossible to push out from last without 4 or 5 picks, so the team that wins mid has no need ot ever push last]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 23:51:06 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by kaidus</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Turtling at last is a fact of the game. Turtling on mid is not.

/thread]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:22:51 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by CannonFodd3r</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[I see a problem with option 6 (gc 10 minutes, if neither team caps last, restart and first team to cap mid).

What if a team gets pushed back to last at the 5 min mark. With the current ruleset, they would have to take risks to push back to the middle. With option 6 they could turtle for 5 more minutes to get another chance of winning the midfight in the next round and therefore the golden cap. Does anyone else see a problem in this?

Maybe it would be better to restart the golden cap round after every 10 minutes if neither team capped the last point?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:19:52 +0100</pubDate>
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