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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;A little experiment.. (ladder beta)&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by Russian Guyovich</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-18681/page-5/?recent=352571#post=352571</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Ok, so we've decided to send out challenges to the top 3 teams in the highlander ladder at the moment, 2 of which have rejected our requests (Epic Team and Free Fire). I recall reading there's a 10 point penalty for rejecting challenges sent by someone lower in the ladder than you but I am not sure if points were actually removed from them or not?

I suppose the risk is that these teams are only going to send out or accept challenges to teams they think they will win against, in turn not giving other teams a chance to move up the ladder.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 12:32:45 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Dukermons</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-18681/page-5/?recent=352571#post=349320</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Stick us in Div 3 then :p]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 16:25:21 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Spike Himself</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-18681/page-4/?recent=352571#post=349296</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Russian Guyovich</i>
		<blockquote>How many penalty points are incurred if you are 12 years late for a match?

<a href="http://etf2l.org/matches/29915/">http://etf2l.org/matches/29915/</a>

It doesn't surprise me they managed to cock up the date. Both of these teams accepted our open challenges and refused to play us in the end.</blockquote>

lol 1999 :D
Sadly penalty points are added per day, regardless of what the scheduled date is. I'll be nice and edit their date, anyhow.

@monkeh; soon! Just want to test this one thing but really need a div3 team for it..]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 14:56:38 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Russian Guyovich</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-18681/page-4/?recent=352571#post=349257</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[How many penalty points are incurred if you are 12 years late for a match?

<a href="http://etf2l.org/matches/29915/">http://etf2l.org/matches/29915/</a>

It doesn't surprise me they managed to cock up the date. Both of these teams accepted our open challenges and refused to play us in the end.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 11:35:30 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Dukermons</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-18681/page-4/?recent=352571#post=349249</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Just maybe un-beta it?

Open it to the masses, let them bask in ladder glory...]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 11:05:02 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Spike Himself</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-18681/page-4/?recent=352571#post=349240</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Spike Himself</i>
		<blockquote>Looking for one or two Div 3 teams that have played in Season 10. Please apply by replying here.</blockquote>

Anyone?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:34:15 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Spike Himself</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-18681/page-4/?recent=352571#post=348221</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Looking for one or two Div 3 teams that have played in Season 10. Please apply by replying here.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:41:11 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Russian Guyovich</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-18681/page-4/?recent=352571#post=347040</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Spike Himself</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

This very much sounds like a bug - it shouldn't be possible to reject an open challenge - you either accept it (status -&#62; "Accepted"), or you don't.

Teams accidentally accepting an open challenge and then refusing to play is covered in the rules, I think, but these are old and may need revising. we'll get to that at some point.
</blockquote>

What I suspect has been happening is as follows:

1.) We've sent out an open challenge
2.) Some team clicked accept
3.) The team realised who we were and didn't want to play us :(
4.) The team has an option of accepting or rejecting before a match page is created, therefore they rejected
5.) We get notification emails saying our challenge was rejected and it is listed as Rejected in the team admin page.

We accepted an open challenge for a team earlier this week, but after the initial acceptance, we had a 2nd chance to accept or reject the challenge before there was a match page. Once we accepted, the match page appears. 

I assume if you accept an open challenge the first time, that is when the match page should be created? So this could be a bug.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:10:52 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Spike Himself</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-18681/page-4/?recent=352571#post=347037</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[In that case you definitely do not have leader rights :D

I'll have a look at this tonight.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:02:45 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Dukermons</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-18681/page-4/?recent=352571#post=347036</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Spike Himself</i>
		<blockquote>
If you go to the teams page http://etf2l.org/wp/wp-admin/index.php?page=teams can you see any Edit Roster or Edit Team links?</blockquote>

Nope, I only have the 6v6 team and the ultiduo...ermmm duo that I can play with in there.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:01:15 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Spike Himself</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-18681/page-4/?recent=352571#post=347035</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Russian Guyovich</i>
		<blockquote>Ok, turns out the team accepted our invite 'accidentally' and after talking to them, they didn't want to play us and rejected the challenge.

So, I set up another open invite and some Russian team have accepted I think, but it still says "Awaiting Response". It's going to get pretty annoying if we put out an open challenge, some team accepts it but doesn't confirm and then doesn't play us. I've added 3 members of Russian Noobs Team to Steam but can't get in touch, so does that mean our invite for a match tonight cannot be seen by anyone else on the ladder?</blockquote>

This very much sounds like a bug - it shouldn't be possible to reject an open challenge - you either accept it (status -&#62; "Accepted"), or you don't.

Teams accidentally accepting an open challenge and then refusing to play is covered in the rules, I think, but these are old and may need revising. we'll get to that at some point.

<i>Quoted from Meuki</i>
		<blockquote>Can you guys make it possible so teams can revoke open challenges they have sent? Because I just set an open challenge and I entered a wrong time, so I had to contact an admin to fix it.</blockquote>

Yeah, I think this should be an easy addition. I'll look into it.

<i>Quoted from Monkeh</i>
		<blockquote>This thread will do I suppose... 

Although I'm not a leader, deputy or war arranger for my highlander team I do seem able to accept open challenges for the highlander ladder.  I didn't actually click it as I didn't want to waste people's time, but I can see them and it certainly looks like they're clickable...</blockquote>

If you go to the teams page http://etf2l.org/wp/wp-admin/index.php?page=teams can you see any Edit Roster or Edit Team links?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 15:59:47 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Dukermons</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-18681/page-4/?recent=352571#post=347034</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[This thread will do I suppose... 

Although I'm not a leader, deputy or war arranger for my highlander team I do seem able to accept open challenges for the highlander ladder.  I didn't actually click it as I didn't want to waste people's time, but I can see them and it certainly looks like they're clickable...]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 15:54:31 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by PlisKin</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-18681/page-4/?recent=352571#post=346128</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Can you guys make it possible so teams can revoke open challenges they have sent? Because I just set an open challenge and I entered a wrong time, so I had to contact an admin to fix it.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 18:03:49 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Russian Guyovich</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-18681/page-4/?recent=352571#post=345725</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Biohazard</i>
		<blockquote>I adore your team's name</blockquote>

Thanks :)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 02:45:47 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by b10h4z4rd</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-18681/page-4/?recent=352571#post=345548</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I adore your team's name]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 14:54:39 +0100</pubDate>
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