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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;Rule proposal: Players / Teams should play in teams of their own skill.&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by Dr. Chris</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-16925/page-4/?recent=305824#post=305824</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[So a player that wants to play with friends as their main class should be barred?

No. Just no.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 18:56:04 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Gubbins</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-16925/page-4/?recent=305824#post=305822</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[prem on now]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 18:54:54 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by S1M0N</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-16925/page-4/?recent=305824#post=305820</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Martn</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Im nowhere near scared getting promoted, we pretty much got that one in our own hands, it just depends on if we win from the HaHa or not.

I am appearantly a bit butthurt because there is that one team that doesnt belong in division 5. That's all.</blockquote>
many people don't belong in div 5 they are good enough and progress every season but noone complains about them, you complain about it but the fact that you mention a team in your own div turns the whole thing around, It's just one game Martn, apologise and play the match. Who knows there might be a win in there for you as long as you try to have fun.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 18:52:17 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Poop</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Martn</i>
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I am appearantly a bit butthurt because there is that one team that doesnt belong in division 5. That's all.</blockquote>

NP, we can't help but get a little gaped in the asshole sometimes]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 18:51:57 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Enef</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Warmaster</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

They got demoted in season 8, it makes perfect sense they were placed in div 5.

Seriously, drop it. Worst idea ever. TF2 is about having fun with your friends remember.</blockquote>

this.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 18:50:46 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Martndemus</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Tornf4lk</i>
		<blockquote>[...]
There are actually loads of teams that play for fun and still are better than their divisions, mostly because if you don't go that extra mile you won't succeed in the higher divisions but you still keep ending up there because you in general are slightly better, and it doesn't matter to anyone. It's one game, Martn if you really want to get promoted to div 4 and you think you won't be because you lose against reJ and their "carrier" then maybe you aren't worth being promoted and that isn't reJs fault. Act like an adult and deal with it.</blockquote>

Im nowhere near scared getting promoted, we pretty much got that one in our own hands, it just depends on if we win from the HaHa or not.

I am appearantly a bit butthurt because there is that one team that doesnt belong in division 5. That's all.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 18:48:51 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Aye Doc</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Martn</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

And what fun i have, when my team gets absoluteley ripped apart by a team thats is supposed to be my skill, but happens to be way better then mine.</blockquote>

it's almost like there are amazing variations between div5 skilled teams, such as those that result in a team winning div5e and a team finishing last in div5e!

http://a2.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/25/3fdf93a4354e4e25ad74884a5d4bc6f2/l.jpg]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 18:48:27 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Tommy Testosterone</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from djc</i>
		<blockquote>sometimes i slip a banana inside my trousers and pretend it's my penis. it doesn't mean my penis is div1; it means the banana is div1.</blockquote>

This.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 18:48:13 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Poop</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[http://etf2l.org/matches/25312/

martyn being pro]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 18:47:07 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by namu</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-16925/page-3/?recent=305824#post=305812</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[martn didn't just realize that oronoc did not come from div1 to div5, he went from div5 to div1 and "inside transfer" within same team... like rising up from farm team to the big leagues :D

<i>Quoted from Martn</i>
		<blockquote>[...] And what fun i have, when my team gets absoluteley ripped apart by a team thats is supposed to be my skill, but happens to be way better then mine.</blockquote>

So your only crying because your team is worse than some other teams ? Why do you not go cry to other teams who you lost to then ?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 18:46:41 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Imperia</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-16925/page-3/?recent=305824#post=305811</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I think some people are missing the issue. I agree it's pretty difficult to tell people what div they should be if they want to play in a certain div, but there shouldnt be complete choice. If a team is clearly rolling a div, then that shows that they are in the wrong div. If they have don't want to play seriously, or they have only 1 guy as a mentor is high skilled, no problem - if they should be in that div, they will be winning games.

Teams should be allowed complete freedom of choice in choosing their div at the start of the season. But maybe a system where there teams are moved up much more regularly, or another div is available after 2 games or so. It's awkward, teams should be allowed to choose, but at the very least advised to move up if it's clear they are in the wrong div.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 18:46:39 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by WabbitsFoot</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Martn</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

And what fun i have, when my team gets absoluteley ripped apart by a team thats is supposed to be my skill, but happens to be way better then mine.</blockquote>

If you beat everyone else then you still get some silver pixels :3]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 18:46:36 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by S1M0N</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-16925/page-3/?recent=305824#post=305809</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Martn</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

With this 'inactive' roster, they are still too good for div5.

Either way, all i want is that there would be something to prevent these 'non-tryhard' teams from entering divisions they will win too easy.
Or 'non-tryhard' players from joining low div teams mid season and carrying them to a win.

Even if your good friends and all, just play pcw's with the guy and finish your season without him. Then add him to you roster and play a division according to your skill.</blockquote>
There are actually loads of teams that play for fun and still are better than their divisions, mostly because if you don't go that extra mile you won't succeed in the higher divisions but you still keep ending up there because you in general are slightly better, and it doesn't matter to anyone. It's one game, Martn if you really want to get promoted to div 4 and you think you won't be because you lose against reJ and their "carrier" then maybe you aren't worth being promoted and that isn't reJs fault. Act like an adult and deal with it.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 18:45:39 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Poop</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-16925/page-3/?recent=305824#post=305808</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[oronoc is prem]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 18:45:13 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Martndemus</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Warmaster</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

They got demoted in season 8, it makes perfect sense they were placed in div 5.

Seriously, drop it. Worst idea ever. TF2 is about having fun with your friends remember.</blockquote>

And what fun i have, when my team gets absoluteley ripped apart by a team thats is supposed to be my skill, but happens to be way better then mine.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 18:44:59 +0200</pubDate>
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