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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;national teams&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by Crunchy</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-1674/page-12/?recent=27391#post=27391</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[tbh if i had the time i'd get things moving but i dont]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:58:35 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Lucifer</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-1674/page-12/?recent=27391#post=27271</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[crunchy, you know damn right that team wales would be sick :D]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 14:47:22 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Crunchy</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-1674/page-12/?recent=27391#post=26532</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[team wales, you know its right ;)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 12:32:47 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by toasty.</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-1674/page-12/?recent=27391#post=25261</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Ha :) 

Ireland is weird though you have 2 footie teams but one rugby team :D

But yeah I get your point is a bit silly. Still its only computer games if stealthy wants to play for team uk you can't really stop him. Plus if people want a team ireland/wales/scotland you can't stop them either.

I reckon thats the only way every one will be happy.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 10:04:37 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by tapley</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-1674/page-12/?recent=27391#post=25259</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Then we can have a team hampshire as well! :-p

As i and many people have said, its a good idea on paper but stupid in practice, everyone who dosnt make it into team uk is just going to find some other uk "nationality" and try and play for them, so we'll have about 3 other, lesser, essentially uk teams which is pointless.
Southern ireland arn't in the UK though so they can make one? :)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 09:53:16 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by toasty.</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-1674/page-12/?recent=27391#post=25257</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I would say the only solution is to have a team uk which is basically England + Stealthy (is he the only non english person in team uk?) then have welsh, irish and scottish teams as normal and not have a english team.

It does look weird on paper but at least every one gets what they want.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 09:46:43 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by nos</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-1674/page-11/?recent=27391#post=25245</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[If you want to make teams like scotland and ireland etc.. stop asking for permission?
just do it.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 03:30:12 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by ShitFly</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-1674/page-11/?recent=27391#post=25242</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Well, IF there is a scottish team (or something else, wales, NI). Would a top player like stealthy be forced to play for scotland? or can he still play for the UK? 

Tbh thats the main question! 

I dont got any problem with making scottish or wales team or whatever but if a player as stealthy has to suffer from these new teams. Than there is something wrong! 

I believe italy also has this problem. There are a few very talented players arround in Italy but they don't wanna play cuz the management of team italy is done by an "unexperienced and unappropiate" teamleader. 

Etf2l has to decide what happens in this matter ;p]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 03:20:40 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by daf</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-1674/page-11/?recent=27391#post=25239</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Why the fuck does everyone keep referring to skill etc in this argument? Do you people people really think that this is what the argument is about? Actuallly, nm I might actually catch the retardedness if I continue to waste my time on this... it's contagious I tell you...]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 02:26:49 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by kolox</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-1674/page-11/?recent=27391#post=25233</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA["stealthy, your mum."

You mean.. yer maw?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 01:24:23 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by waebi</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-1674/page-11/?recent=27391#post=25232</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Best solution: Make a scandi comp and a UK comp. No one will feel left out.
edit: oh wait, arent the friggin finns all div1? DAMN.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 01:23:03 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by d3rail__</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-1674/page-11/?recent=27391#post=25230</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I understand that it's fair for people to want to be 'given a go', even if their team sucks and dies at the very start. That's cool with me, if you want to get humiliated very early on, go for it. 

My issue is that as a result, Team UK now suffers, and whereas previously the collected UK Team could could compete at the very top, the 4 nations now individually are very weak and most likely couldn't hold their own against the Finns or Swedes. 

Is it worth it?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 01:07:16 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by JimmyBreeze</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[I understand that the thing with Team UK is complicated because everyone in the UK has a weird dual-citizenship (as a citizen of both their home nation, Scotland/Wales/N Ireland/England, and of the UK as an entity). But forget the sports comparisons and performance hypotheticals.

If a country can find 6-8 willing players, whether it's Scotland, Belarus, or Georgia, they should be allowed to compete.

This isn't an "elite" comptition, it's a nation's cup. Nor is it a Finland, Sweden and Team UK cup. It's a contest between nations. There are no rules about players must come from division 1 or 2. Nobody says to Hungary/Czech Rep/etc that they aren't good enough to participate.

The bad teams will lose to the good teams in qualifying/group stages. That's what these preliminary stages are there for. If a "bad" team gets through: well done, they deserve their place.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:57:12 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by SEB</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-1674/page-11/?recent=27391#post=25172</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[no]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:36:27 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Sir ShoX</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[I find it quite worrying that you're willing to write off the efforts of Scotland, NI &#38; Wales without even giving it a go. You never know they might surprise you.

And numlcoked, I don't need to go away and re-think my opinions - I formed them of my myself, gave them plenty of thought and they haven't changed. You seem completely entrenched in your beliefs to the point you seem unwilling to even discuss the matter in a sensible way. The attitude with which you deliver your opinion devalues any point you make massively. 

I can see both sides of the argument, those who believe that the *only* way to enjoy competitive European level TF2 is by amalgamating England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland under the banner of the UK and can't envisage a time when each country could be successful under their own steam and those who think they should be allowed to play for their countries no matter how bad they may initially be.

I'm with the latter, it's also worth noting that I'm a pretty much entirely retired TF2 player nor is it ever likely I'd be at the level where I could compete for a spot in Team England. 

As you quite rightly said numlocked you've said it in previous posts - if you're going to reply include something new, I'm well aware of your point of view.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:33:07 +0100</pubDate>
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