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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;Third Party Cheats in ETF2L Prem &#38; Div1&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by RaCio</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-15554/page-12/?recent=275538#post=275538</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Tapley ❤</i>
		<blockquote>So Basically TLDR for the whole thread-

"The league prizes are £2500 + why can't we have an anti cheat?"
Anti cheat will cost That + more, then you may have less cheaters in the league but no prize money.
"Will other leagues let us use their anti cheat?"
No.

So you've got 3 options:
1 - Use another leagues anti cheat client in the rare chance they'll let us, and have everyone whine about how it lags their chocolate box pc.

2 - Utilize VAC bans again - Because who cares if your "Brother" cheated "whilst playing  css" you're probably a dick anyway.

3- Carry on with the current AC system and have WHY BAN ME? threads pop up after every ban hammer news post.</blockquote>
This says all.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 16:37:29 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by boomeh</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-15554/page-12/?recent=275538#post=275537</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Springer</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

whut? i'm pretty sure we used it... and the div1 was a bit retarded (no offence boomeh)</blockquote>

im not retarded :(( it was all apart of my plan! i knew skinnie would never let me just leave the team, so i had to come up with a scheme that didn't allow me to play, even that failed pretty hard must have took a good year of cheating in esl aequitas before they clocked on, fucking retards I WANTED TO BE BANNED SOONER]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 16:29:42 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by boomeh</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-15554/page-12/?recent=275538#post=275533</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[i troll ofcourse heaven and hell exists and their is plenty of perfect human beings everywhere!]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 16:20:34 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by r7an</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-15554/page-12/?recent=275538#post=275532</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[rage]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 16:19:24 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by boomeh</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-15554/page-12/?recent=275538#post=275529</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from ih</i>
		<blockquote>Cheating is for cowards and persons that don't know how to lose. I despise all of them. They belong in the 8th circle of hell. Let them burn there.</blockquote>

i dont believe in heaven or hell, and not one being on this planet is perfect =D]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 16:17:36 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by iharhajster</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-15554/page-12/?recent=275538#post=275528</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Cheating is for cowards and persons that don't know how to lose. I despise all of them. They belong in the 8th circle of hell. Let them burn there.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 16:15:26 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by randa</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from JackieBoy</i>
		<blockquote>Has ETF2L asked any support for AC from their Sponsors?(Steelseries etc...)</blockquote>

lol'd]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 16:09:31 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by JackieBoy</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-15554/page-12/?recent=275538#post=275521</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Has ETF2L asked any support for AC from their Sponsors?(Steelseries etc...)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 16:08:57 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by M24_</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-15554/page-12/?recent=275538#post=275514</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Koeitje</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Except it doesn't cater the top teams as well.</blockquote>

and why should it, it's a community league, it's not supossed to cater to anyone in particular.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 15:52:59 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Koeitje</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-15554/page-12/?recent=275538#post=275507</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from RaCio</i>
		<blockquote>[...]For most skill levels etf2l has as much to offer as other leagues (fun / competition), has nothing to do with people being stubborn.</blockquote>

Except it doesn't cater the top teams as well.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 15:08:13 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by RaCio</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-15554/page-12/?recent=275538#post=275506</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from kaidus</i>
		<blockquote> The only problem here is that it gets treated like a pro-gaming league because everyone is too stubborn to get their dose from a real league like ESL. </blockquote>For most skill levels etf2l has as much to offer as other leagues (fun / competition), has nothing to do with people being stubborn.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 15:06:06 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Koeitje</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Tapley ❤</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Dr. Justice AGAINST CHEATERS!</blockquote>

He's already got the name going for him.

JUSTICE ANTI-CHEAT.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 14:59:53 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by randa</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-15554/page-11/?recent=275538#post=275503</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from kaidus</i>
		<blockquote>ETF2L is a community site, it does not need an anti-cheat. The only problem here is that it gets treated like a pro-gaming league because everyone is too stubborn to get their dose from a real league like ESL. I don't mean any disrespect to ETF2L or the admins, but this is such a pointless discussion as the only useful conclusions anyone can draw is that everything that is required is already readily available for TF2 players to use - it just doesn't have the big friendly smiley ETF2L banner on it. Time to move on.

Also please don't respond by saying the ESL site sucks. You're talking about ETF2L investing 10s of thousands of euros in software that already exists for you to use but can't be bothered to spend 10 minutes doing what players from every other competitive game under the sun do and learning to use a website on the internet.</blockquote>

Stop dropping truthbombs please I like this endless debate going around in circles.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 14:57:33 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by kuma1</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from kaidus</i>
		<blockquote>ETF2L is a community site, it does not need an anti-cheat. The only problem here is that it gets treated like a pro-gaming league because everyone is too stubborn to get their dose from a real league like ESL. I don't mean any disrespect to ETF2L or the admins, but this is such a pointless discussion as the only useful conclusions anyone can draw is that everything that is required is already readily available for TF2 players to use - it just doesn't have the big friendly smiley ETF2L banner on it. Time to move on.

Also please don't respond by saying the ESL site sucks. You're talking about ETF2L investing 10s of thousands of euros in software that already exists for you to use but can't be bothered to spend 10 minutes doing what players from every other competitive game under the sun do and learning to use a website on the internet.</blockquote>

tell em boss]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 14:49:21 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by UPS</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from AcidReniX</i>
		<blockquote>I guess the other alternative is to still ask for donations towards an anticheat deterent, and just use the money to fly a big dude to the cheaters house, to punch him in the face.</blockquote>
This is the best idea in the thread!]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 14:45:17 +0100</pubDate>
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