ETF2L – Latest activity in “TF2 on Ubuntu/Linux fps”

ETF2L – Latest activity in “TF2 on Ubuntu/Linux fps” https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-15076/ Reply by GangsterAlgot https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-15076/page-6/?recent=274793#post=274793 Quoted from octochris

only 'wanted' if you want 3d accel.

Sorry I meant needed for games.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=15076&post=274793 Sat, 05 Feb 2011 13:32:54 +0100 Reply by Dr. Chris https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-15076/page-6/?recent=274793#post=274791 Quoted from GangsterAlgot

yes, proprietary graphics drivers are needed and I don't like it

nouveau, intel, vesa, radeon? all open-source non-prop drivers. proprietary graphics drivers are not 'needed', only 'wanted' if you want 3d accel.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=15076&post=274791 Sat, 05 Feb 2011 13:21:19 +0100 Reply by GangsterAlgot https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-15076/page-6/?recent=274793#post=274790 Quoted from BiG|Raven

I love religious wars!

Well, why not actually move on from the technical part to the religious part. What I see as the primary argument for linux has nothing to do with technical specs or security. In linux YOU own and administrate your system. You don't rely on mandatory updates from microsoft or proprietary software (yes, proprietary graphics drivers are needed and I don't like it). Everything done on your computer is done by you and started by you. As an effect you can completely control all the services that runs on your system. For example my laptop when started (with X and wlan up and running) uses only 80MB ram. Try doing that on windows. Also you can (and I emphasize can as you are not required too) compile your own kernel and remove bloated obsolete stuff you don't need and further streamline your system. Simply put I regard linux as a better platform for high performance computing (as games, rendering, mathematics and so on...). It's not a coincidence that all high performance computing centers around the world runs some flavor of unix/linux.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=15076&post=274790 Sat, 05 Feb 2011 13:18:47 +0100 Reply by sonnyrotmiller https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-15076/page-6/?recent=274793#post=274763 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=15076&post=274763 Sat, 05 Feb 2011 11:42:30 +0100 Reply by eq- https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-15076/page-5/?recent=274793#post=263987 Quoted from BiG|Raven

I ran tf2 on debian, there was no _buntu back then :P

Don't really have anything to say on topic and I don't want to get involved with the linux jihadists, but 2004 < 2007, Herr Gachl! :p]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=15076&post=263987 Thu, 06 Jan 2011 00:17:14 +0100 Reply by Gachl https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-15076/page-5/?recent=274793#post=263585 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=15076&post=263585 Tue, 04 Jan 2011 10:04:49 +0100 Reply by Spike Himself https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-15076/page-5/?recent=274793#post=263580 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=15076&post=263580 Tue, 04 Jan 2011 09:40:31 +0100 Reply by vosen https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-15076/page-5/?recent=274793#post=263574 Quoted from Spike Himself

What's the windows equivalent? Oh I see..

What part of "shit security track record" is so hard to understand? I never claimed there is hardening solution for Windows. I claimed that "security designed from the core" doesn't happen in Linux either - if of course we assume that by core skyride means the Linux kernel and is not just parroting some random slogans. Quoted from Spike Himself

Powershell is a joke. If you seriously consider that powerful I doubt you've actually done any scripting ever.

How wrong you are, I actually done some scripting on bash + coreutils, but never used Powershell, just that I heard very good things about it. Hey, explain my why Powershell is so inferior? I'm interested in the topic. Too bad you won't do that. Also, touching the cygwin point - what's wrong with installing bash + gnu command lines tools on Windows? You might be shocked to discover but they are not exclusive to Linux. Bash is a default shell in OSX and *BSDs, also cygwin isn't an emulator but rather an implementation of POSIX environment in Windows (mainly translation POSIX -> Windows system calls really). I see nothing wrong with installing that in my windows environment. Do I break some religious taboo? Quoted from Spike Himself

That’s not a package manager, really. When you install an MSI ‘package’, what is going to be responsible for deinstallation? MSI or the program written by the developer of the software in question? :) Install: 400 files – Uninstall: 350 files. Ohh!

Um, you are wrong. Windows Installer is responsible for deinstallation of MSI package and does just that. MSI is a package format just like .rpm or .deb, that means it's generally files + metadata instructing packager how to install/uninstall them. If you really weant, you can most likely handle uninstallation with your own scripts/app just like some .deb/.rpm packages for proprietary software do (last time i checked Crossweavers did just that). Quoted from Skyride

I'm not going to get involved in a pointless windows vs linux argument with some random windows server admin

Wait, what? I'm not a windows server admin and even if I were, then what? That would've made me wrong by default? Pretty cool reasoning there. Sorry guys to interrupt your thread, I won't do this again, you can now go back to your regularly scheduled ignorance and hate.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=15076&post=263574 Tue, 04 Jan 2011 07:46:14 +0100 Reply by Dr. Chris https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-15076/page-5/?recent=274793#post=263573 Quoted from freshmeatt

[...] Because every attacker has to add that sentence at the end and every defender knows Linux has its flaws too. Vicious circle you fall into, all of you.

yes, but linux is like a fortress compared to windows. uac doesn't even begin to approach basic levels of sensible security. go get openbsd if you're concerned. in before someone links https://allthatiswrong.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/the-insecurity-of-openbsd/]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=15076&post=263573 Tue, 04 Jan 2011 06:36:21 +0100 Reply by Animal https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-15076/page-5/?recent=274793#post=263565 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=15076&post=263565 Tue, 04 Jan 2011 02:58:48 +0100 Reply by baerbel https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-15076/page-5/?recent=274793#post=263562 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=15076&post=263562 Tue, 04 Jan 2011 02:24:03 +0100 Reply by adam-skyride https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-15076/page-5/?recent=274793#post=263561 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=15076&post=263561 Tue, 04 Jan 2011 02:05:43 +0100 Reply by Spike Himself https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-15076/page-5/?recent=274793#post=263560 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=15076&post=263560 Tue, 04 Jan 2011 02:02:54 +0100 Reply by freshmeatt https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-15076/page-5/?recent=274793#post=263559 Quoted from Spike Himself

..why do people even bother defending windows when it is so obviously flawed?

Because every attacker has to add that sentence at the end and every defender knows Linux has its flaws too. Vicious circle you fall into, all of you.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=15076&post=263559 Tue, 04 Jan 2011 01:43:30 +0100 Reply by Spike Himself https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-15076/page-5/?recent=274793#post=263550 Quoted from vosen

You argument is terribly emotional

lol? Quoted from vosen

If you want actually secured and hardened Linux distribution you should use one of software packages implementing mandatory access control mechanism like SELinux or AppArmor.

What's the windows equivalent? Oh I see.. Quoted from vosen

Powershell

Powershell is a joke. If you seriously consider that powerful I doubt you've actually done any scripting ever. Quoted from vosen

You can alternatively install cygwin like most people do.

Why emulate a linux environment when windows is sufficient? Quoted from vosen

like most people do

Heh. Quoted from vosen

Windows Installer

That's not a package manager, really. When you install an MSI 'package', what is going to be responsible for deinstallation? MSI or the program written by the developer of the software in question? :) Install: 400 files - Uninstall: 350 files. Ohh! ..why do people even bother defending windows when it is so obviously flawed?]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=15076&post=263550 Tue, 04 Jan 2011 01:23:45 +0100