ETF2L – Latest activity in “Please ETF2L, PLEASE reconsider the new unlock rules” https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-13361/ Reply by Tikcus https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-13361/page-18/?recent=229627#post=229627 Quoted from GuMMi
banning it would have one sole purpose and that would be to make me sad...
^ that's the only reason I could come up with, it's been nerfed so much, no one but you uses it :)]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=13361&post=229627 Sat, 09 Oct 2010 01:53:27 +0200 Reply by GuMMi16 https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-13361/page-18/?recent=229627#post=229621 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=13361&post=229621 Sat, 09 Oct 2010 01:30:45 +0200 Reply by pukz https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-13361/page-18/?recent=229627#post=229224 Quoted from dunc
[...] hahahah fuck off you :D
Oh, you didn't think I meant you did you? =]]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=13361&post=229224 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 22:40:47 +0200 Reply by dunc https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-13361/page-18/?recent=229627#post=229173 Quoted from pukz
medics are a useless class anyway.. just need 2 sandvich per class and mini uber devices that take 5mins to load for sols and demo's then we won't have to wait for a pickup and won't have to listen to those boring rants from that northern egotistical bellend either. Whos with me? :)
hahahah fuck off you :D]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=13361&post=229173 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 20:06:22 +0200 Reply by Enef https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-13361/page-18/?recent=229627#post=229151 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=13361&post=229151 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 19:35:28 +0200 Reply by Tikcus https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-13361/page-18/?recent=229627#post=229126 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=13361&post=229126 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 18:45:38 +0200 Reply by stwn https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-13361/page-18/?recent=229627#post=229101 Quoted from pukz
medics are a useless class anyway.. just need 2 sandvich per class and mini uber devices that take 5mins to load for sols and demo's then we won't have to wait for a pickup and won't have to listen to those boring rants from that northern egotistical bellend either. Whos with me? :)
I think not(me)]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=13361&post=229101 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 18:01:27 +0200 Reply by pukz https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-13361/page-18/?recent=229627#post=229088 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=13361&post=229088 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 17:28:13 +0200 Reply by RaCio https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-13361/page-18/?recent=229627#post=229061 Quoted from Monkeh
Attaking last You: Use Kritz and Vita saw, die with 21% charge but enemy popped uber, spawn in 6 seconds 'cos you're attacking last, solly comes to pick you up as soon as you spawn, 24 seconds later you have charge. Total of 30 seconds after the uber was popped you have charge and are pushing last again. Enemy: Use uber to survive, kill enemy medic with 4 seconds of uber left, start charging uber, takes 40 seconds. Total of 44 seconds since enemy medic went down, they're kritzing on you in 30. DOOM!
I already acknowledged that tactic in my previous post. It doesnt change tikcus' point about it not affecting the mid fight or the fact that a team can not be "coming at you every 24 seconds plus medic respawn time." Quoted from Monkeh
Effectively making taking down a kritzing medic give you no advantage at all. At the moment, Kritzing on last against enemy uber only really works if you can get out without dieing to try again in 30 seconds, (10 seconds faster than uber), with Vita saw that's ruined. Dieing will not be a disadvantage.
This is slighty off-topic but maybe you should rethink why you are killing that medic in the first place? It has something to do with a certain capture point :p Dieing after you trigger their uber with kritz will still give a disadvantage since you just wasted your uber. So like I said, for the tactic to work your opponent will have to push out with their advantage. Unless they are terrible they will recapture the point (and stay back while charging their uber).]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=13361&post=229061 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 16:27:50 +0200 Reply by Tikcus https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-13361/page-18/?recent=229627#post=229058 Quoted from Monkeh
Attaking last You: Use Kritz and Vita saw, die with 21% charge but enemy popped uber, spawn in 6 seconds 'cos you're attacking last, with 20% charge, solly comes to pick you up as soon as you spawn, 24 seconds later you have charge. Total of 30 seconds after the uber was popped you have charge and are pushing last again. Enemy: Use uber to survive, kill enemy medic with 4 seconds of uber left, start charging uber, takes 40 seconds. Total of 44 seconds since enemy medic went down, they're kritzing on you in 30. DOOM!
You are forgetting one very important part of the vita saw, medic only has 140 HP! more likely that a defensive situation where vita-saw becomes used, get rolled at mid, spawn with 20% you may charge in time to defend last. also vita-saw means you can not forward/back spawn without losing the upto 20% Let's go back to mid fight If every weapon was allowed, it may be more chaotic, for a short period of time, then and very quickly the best combo for a roll out will be established, and every clan 90% of the time will use that roll out. Most of the weapons are not game changing, the only weapons that have any potential for game changing are the soldier ones, the new gloves (which would change 6v6 in a positive way). and maybe the milk. But since all these weapons are too new for season 8 (mainly because instead of saving weapons to craft weapons, people made hats). We can worry about this in Jan/Feb when season 9 is in the pipe works.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=13361&post=229058 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 16:21:02 +0200 Reply by Dukermons https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-13361/page-18/?recent=229627#post=229052 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=13361&post=229052 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 16:09:27 +0200 Reply by RaCio https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-13361/page-18/?recent=229627#post=229049 Quoted from Monkeh
[...] AFAIK uber is charged in 40 seconds and Kritz 30 seconds (25% faster) Die still using Kritz and you keep 'up to 20%' so you start with an 8 second advantage and a spawn of maybe less than that. Kritz charges in 30 seconds, take off 20% = 24 seconds with Vita-saw Uber charges in 40 seconds, take off 20% = 32 seconds with Vita-saw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2afZ9xiSSZs I'm pretty sure I got my maths correct tbh :p
If you are calculating the amount of times you can have kritz ready in a certain amount of time you also need to take the duration into account. "I think the point was that you can have a kritz coming at you every 24 seconds plus medic respawn time. " Your 24 seconds is the absolute minumum a medic can have kritz ready after a respawn with vita-saw in a very specific situation. As the vitasaw does not increase charging speed (using kritz depletes your charge) the number of 1 kritz/38 seconds stays unchanged.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=13361&post=229049 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 16:04:23 +0200 Reply by Daggial https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-13361/page-17/?recent=229627#post=229046 Quoted from pukz
http://statics.blolpics.com/photos/1273946174987.jpg?201010071439 [...] Perfect example of how tf2 will go with all new weapons :)
liked that eh? let's play it, cu@lan xD]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=13361&post=229046 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:58:44 +0200 Reply by Dukermons https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-13361/page-17/?recent=229627#post=229044 Quoted from RaCio
Im pretty sure you got the math wrong there. The vita-saw does not increase the rate at which the uber charges. So with kritz you're still at a kritz every 38 seconds.
Uber is charged in 40 seconds and Kritz 30 seconds, (25% faster), with a damaged target. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2afZ9xiSSZs Die still using Kritz and you keep, 'up to 20%', so you start with an 8 second advantage and a spawn of maybe less than that. Kritz charges in 30 seconds, take off 20% = 24 seconds with Vita-saw Uber charges in 40 seconds, take off 20% = 32 seconds with Vita-saw So charge Kritz, use kritz, enemy ubers and kills you with still 21% charge unused and you spawn in 'x' seconds with 20% charge. For a 30 second charge time that means 24 seconds after linking with someone you have a full charge again. I'm pretty sure I got my maths correct tbh :p]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=13361&post=229044 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:52:59 +0200 Reply by pukz https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-13361/page-17/?recent=229627#post=229042 Quoted from Angel
The first meeting at the mid CP has always been and will be chaotic (paper/scissor/stone). Because the players first time see the opponents equipments and routes to the mid CP. But the duration of this chaos is too small. Then both sides goes to the planing attack/defense; from paper/scissor/stone to Team Fortress. This stage is more longer and predictable for both teams. Since the 2nd "team+fortress" stage up 95% time of matches, there is no reasons to prohibit new game features. If you are afraid of chaos - you may can't go to the mid! And make a steel defense at the 2nd point. ^^
point missed #3 grats :)]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=13361&post=229042 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:52:03 +0200