[...] :DDDDDDDDD

[...] Maybe in div4

[...] Maybe in div4

put a natasha heavy on the balcony on badlands against an attacking team, the slow down means that they wont be able to RJ upto spire

I really don't see how Natasha is OP. If the other team drops a scout for a heavy, you have a massive speed and flanking advantage. If they drop a heavy class for a Natasha Heavy. Just put up a normal heavy, slowdown doesn't affect him and the other dude's fucked. I don't get the point of this thread. I know I speak for other members of my team when I say that we all signed up for an evolving game, if you don't want that, there's Q3CPMA, CS:S and COD4:Promod. Team Fortress 2 is not going to stop bringing new things in until it's dead. Imo, if the competitive community doesn't move with this evolution (I'm not saying fully, but in part) I can easily see the whole comp side breaking down and being solely a way of making money. On a side note, the sandman and wrangler are currently 2 weapons without counter, short of a spy on every last push and a pyro with good reflecting skill covering 2 players each... tl;dr: Team fortress is an evolving game - shouldn't the competitive community adapt to and embrace the updates for what they are, an extension of depth to what would be a shallow game with vanilla?

A natascha heavy changes EVERYTHING. The passive slow makes missing IMPOSSIBLE, so it makes the skill curve even less, so even a noob can do damage. The slow not only affects the player who plays the heavy but the rest of his team. A good spread on the gun against a combo of players and they all get slowed. Resulting in them being easier to spam and kill. While a normal heavy has a higher dmg output, he's easier to flank, you can use corners to your advantage (peak and spam), and he can not pocket a medic as well (the slow stops anyone getting near your medic and gives him an easier time dodging). Natascha is the most op shit ever. I'd rather play against a fan scout then a natascha heavy.

[...] If you genuinely think that natascha doesn't bring a different dynamic to the game in forcing you to change the way you play, I suggest you gb2d6.