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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;Stability and Divisional Placement&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by RaCio</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-11063/page-6/?recent=200739#post=200739</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Both the premier div and the seeding are things we definitely will be looking at for next season.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 02:52:10 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by kaidus</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-11063/page-6/?recent=200739#post=200737</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Gotta agree. There's always teams at the bottom of div1 that don't stand a chance and always teams at the top of div2 that are gonna shit on everyone no doubt. Mix em up!]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 02:49:14 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by WildCard</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-11063/page-6/?recent=200739#post=200734</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[premier division above div1 ;)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 02:27:51 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Nymthae</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-11063/page-6/?recent=200739#post=200730</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[The problem is, a lot of the teams in div6 are rolling because they got put there either late, or unknown.

A team we played I think last week in AFS, completely rolled us and looking at their results, rolling the rest of the division. Tik spoke to them afterwards; they had requested division 4 I believe before the season yet here they are in div 6. Did this get overlooked or just not enough space in upper divisions to accomodate?

An extra division could work but it's still going to have similar problems but the more the community is growing the more divisions we need - or atleast a higher team capacity in the current divisions.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 01:55:05 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Vali</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-11063/page-6/?recent=200739#post=200728</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Shabbaman</i>
		<blockquote>If you add a division the only thing that happens is that you move this problem to div. 7.</blockquote>

Some of the problems wouldn't be entirely solved but to say that it does nothing is just flat-out wrong. If there is a massive skillgap between teams in div6 but not a huge skillgap between div5 and a fair number of teams in div6 then a 7th division sounds like a good idea. That's not to say that it wouldn't be a logistical nightmare taking into consideration the league format and how many "div7" standard teams there would be; that's probably the barrier to getting it implemented.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 01:37:16 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Minimoose</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-11063/page-6/?recent=200739#post=200721</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[bigger numbers = better]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:30:24 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Shabbaman</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-11063/page-5/?recent=200739#post=200718</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Panic of the Undead</i>
		<blockquote>Div 7 might not be a bad idea since playing div 6 is hell right now. 
You get rolled in 15 minutes or you roll in 15 minutes... :/</blockquote>

If you add a division the only thing that happens is that you move this problem to div. 7.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:59:46 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Enef</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-11063/page-5/?recent=200739#post=200646</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Nagash</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

and also
http://etf2l.org/teams/9413/
no website, email hidden and their irc clannel is #tf.wars .... they got one popular clan to have that many people in their irc channel ;)</blockquote>

they also make it retardedly difficult to arrange matches... http://etf2l.org/matches/19613/]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 18:52:45 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Nagash</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-11063/page-5/?recent=200739#post=200643</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from RaCio</i>
		<blockquote>You have to have 2 contact methods before you can sign up to any league/cup at the moment if I remember well.</blockquote>

yeah, but i mean it doesn't seem to get checked, as i've seen a few websites as "http:///",  steam usernames as steam player names, and even irc channels that don't exist.

for example. 
http://etf2l.org/teams/9524/
They have their website as http:// which links to http:///, their email address is hidden so clans can't see it and so only has the steam username, so strictly 1 form of contact, assuming that ones correct.

and also
http://etf2l.org/teams/9413/
no website, email hidden and their irc clannel is #tf.wars .... they got one popular clan to have that many people in their irc channel ;)

granted it's not EVERY team that does this, but seems a few teams slip the net by putting in fake details, and then take up places which other clans could have had. Also granted that these clans listed above are playing their league matches and haven't dropped, but imo it doesn't show stability and it makes it difficult and annoying for other clans to try and contact them through the contact details.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 18:34:01 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by huhas</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-11063/page-5/?recent=200739#post=200640</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from nTraum</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

its called "space bar" and you will find it in the lowermost row of your keyboard. gl.</blockquote>
His spacebar is broken ;p]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 18:19:43 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Juniorsatan</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-11063/page-5/?recent=200739#post=200637</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from sajh</i>
		<blockquote>every-player-of-a-team-has-to-pay-50£-to-participate,if-he-finishes-the-season-with-that-team,he-will-get-the-money-back...if-not-it-will-be-added-to-a-prizepool-for-the-remaining-teams-to-fight-over;P</blockquote>

its called "space bar" and you will find it in the lowermost row of your keyboard. gl.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 18:12:56 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Spike Himself</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-11063/page-5/?recent=200739#post=200635</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from sajh</i>
		<blockquote>every-player-of-a-team-has-to-pay-50£-to-participate,if-he-finishes-the-season-with-that-team,he-will-get-the-money-back...if-not-it-will-be-added-to-a-prizepool-for-the-remaining-teams-to-fight-over;P</blockquote>

I like this idea. Unfortunately most people here are ~14 and don't have that kind of money.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 18:05:29 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by sajh</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-11063/page-5/?recent=200739#post=200634</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[every-player-of-a-team-has-to-pay-50£-to-participate,if-he-finishes-the-season-with-that-team,he-will-get-the-money-back...if-not-it-will-be-added-to-a-prizepool-for-the-remaining-teams-to-fight-over;P]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 18:03:54 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by RaCio</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-11063/page-5/?recent=200739#post=200631</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[You have to have 2 contact methods before you can sign up to any league/cup at the moment if I remember well.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 18:01:30 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Spike Himself</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-11063/page-5/?recent=200739#post=200630</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Nagash</i>
		<blockquote>having a website with results page as a bare minimum required for league entry at least shows that a clan has stability</blockquote>

It's not 1995 anymore!]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 18:01:29 +0200</pubDate>
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