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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;Ban Natascha?&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by xtala</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-10555/page-11/?recent=189304#post=189304</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Psyche</i>
		<blockquote>Just had the funniest game with a full-time natascha heavy right now...
Middle was great. Start was good and when the natascha heavy got there our medic died instantly due to spam. Our soldier jumped and got stopped mid-air.

We tried sniper as one of the people suggested...The heavy just hid away or they scouts raped the sniper.

If this isn't boring or "stale" in AcidRenix's words then I pretty much don't know what else to call it lol.</blockquote>

Because obviously, one experience is more than enough to prove your point.
You have a massive advantage in midbattles at start because the hw is so slow, if you're medic died due to spam, you should blame yourself (or your own team anyway).]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 13:04:48 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by AcidReniX</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-10555/page-11/?recent=189304#post=189250</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I totally agree with exfane, heavy should be viable, you shouldn't always win when someone runs a heavy, but playing a heavy is difficult as you lose a spam class (sol) and it takes longer for him to get to middle. The team running the heavy is forced to play slightly passive until he arrives which means the other team can put more aggression on.

The other thing to consider is that a TDH soldier rips a heavy apart, but that counter has been banned for some strange reason.

It sounds like in that particular game, you would have lost anyway even if they ran 2 soldiers.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:10:33 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Exfane</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-10555/page-11/?recent=189304#post=189191</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[if teams get beaten by 1 or 2 heavies on mid they have been too passive.
full agro with everybody from the get-go before the heavy arrives on mid should solve it most of the times]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 01:24:54 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Mould</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-10555/page-11/?recent=189304#post=189169</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from pena</i>
		<blockquote>We ran 2 natasha heavies on badlands today. Was a fucking rape. They couldn't do anything on mid.</blockquote>

This puzzles me beyond belief. When I run heavy on mid, I get raped.

However, I'm bad.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:29:50 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Pena</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-10555/page-11/?recent=189304#post=189158</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[We ran 2 natasha heavies on badlands today. Was a fucking rape. They couldn't do anything on mid.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 23:51:05 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Psyche</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-10555/page-10/?recent=189304#post=189155</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Just had the funniest game with a full-time natascha heavy right now...
Middle was great. Start was good and when the natascha heavy got there our medic died instantly due to spam. Our soldier jumped and got stopped mid-air.

We tried sniper as one of the people suggested...The heavy just hid away or they scouts raped the sniper.

If this isn't boring or "stale" in AcidRenix's words then I pretty much don't know what else to call it lol.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 23:42:05 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by AcidReniX</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-10555/page-10/?recent=189304#post=189154</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Oh and I got the sarcasm... I just felt like answering your 'sarcastic' question.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 23:37:26 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by AcidReniX</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-10555/page-10/?recent=189304#post=189153</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[TF2 isn't stale for me, I use the unlocks =]

As for bringing the community down... no no, simply trying to improve it. I love this game, I don't want to see a small group of players ruin the potential this game has because they don't like having different weapons be used effectively against their one and only strategy.

It's not because they don't enjoy playing against it, it's because it kills them and they don't enjoy dieing/losing, that's all. Every weapon in the game that isn't effective, no one cries about, reguardless of how 'lame' it is. People don't call for the huntsman to be banned because a regular sniper is 99% of the time more effective. It's only as someone learns to use a weapon effectively that people call for it to be banned. FaN, TDH, all of these were considered 'useless' at the start, people became resonably good with them, they complained, they got nerfed, they still complained, they get banned.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 23:32:57 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Xzar</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-10555/page-10/?recent=189304#post=189136</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[+1 kaidus]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 22:16:18 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Mr. Bean</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-10555/page-10/?recent=189304#post=189135</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Just heavy limit 1]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 22:10:26 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Psyche</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-10555/page-10/?recent=189304#post=189133</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA["The full time pyro is working out pretty good. I really enjoy playing it, I’m getting better. Can’t expect to suddenly become as good with a pyro as say I am with a soldier with only 60 total hours playing the class. Maybe if I hit a similar 300ish then it would be a good time to judge, but I’m always improving, playing it on publics and maybe when I get better a team would want to take me using it… maybe not… I won’t lose sleep :)"

Sarcasm is probably not your strong point AcidRenix... lol

And....what kaidus said.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 21:52:19 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by kaidus</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-10555/page-10/?recent=189304#post=189112</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Suggestion: If tf2 is that stale for you, go and play a different game rather than trying to drag the whole scene down the shitter.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:53:17 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by xtala</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-10555/page-10/?recent=189304#post=189105</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Is the long range slow really that much of an issue?

He barely hits anything, so there isn't all that much slowing
If you get at shot at by the rest of the team, while slowed from a range, you are in either of these situations:
1) You're on your own vs the other team, in which case you deserve to be killed.
2) You have your team with you, in which case you have an advantage since the heavy will be doing very little damage from range.

Might be that I missed something tho, do let me know if I did.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:28:43 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by skinnie</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-10555/page-10/?recent=189304#post=189103</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[oh pls yes ban it otherwise I need to use my brain]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:25:50 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Tikcus</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-10555/page-10/?recent=189304#post=189097</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from kuma</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Which is fine if you can change weapons on the spot, as with more unlocks it becomes a case of each item hard countering another.</blockquote>

you change weapon at resupply cabinet, to counter their choice, which means they will try and counter your counter, which sounds like a game i'd want to play.

much more than the current we're losing the mid fight what do we do.... get beat 5-0 go to irc and get another game]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:13:01 +0200</pubDate>
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