ETF2L – Latest activity in “Valve breaks plugins

ETF2L – Latest activity in “Valve breaks plugins - PETITION” https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-9998/ Reply by voogru https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-9998/page-2/?recent=174539#post=174539 Quoted from Bury.

I doubt they removed it without good reason, valve has publically commended the prophunt people for creating a fun game mode, I doubt they would cut something out they enjoy themselves. Probably just another noob mistake on their end that they will put back soon, don't fret.

Here is my argument for that, PropHunt used this feature. If Valve had this policy in effect before PropHunt was around, would PropHunt have ever came into existence? PropHunt came as an idea, from what I understand, by a programmer trying to just figure out how to change a players model, since TF2 picks the players model client side. Second, the workarounds they implemented (which are only useful for PropHunt) are causing client crashes as if the current version of the time of this post. They mentioned they fixed them but theres no way to know until the next update. They added a cool function that allows the setting of the players model, but models won't animate when set with this function, limiting the value of this function pretty much to just PropHunt. The plug-ins that relied on this functionality pretty much cannot be fixed unless valve goes ahead and implements special cases for every plug-ins use of the feature, already the PropHunt turned out to be more work than they figured because of the client crash and I'm sure the last thing they want to be doing is trying to make 3rd party plug-ins work. In their own game, they broken their own partyhats and the rendering of unlocks in recorded demos.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=9998&post=174539 Wed, 05 May 2010 16:26:11 +0200 Reply by byte https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-9998/page-2/?recent=174539#post=174531 Quoted from vosen

[...] Keys in hashtable are unordered, you can't index them. Don't blame Sun for your lack of understanding of basic data structure.

lol why troll? I never blamed Sun? And i never stated that i didn't misunderstand the functionality but at the time i was still learning? Only until the update i realized myself i used the wrong method. Please learn to think before you speak or type in this case. Trolling is really not welcome :) Cheers Byte]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=9998&post=174531 Wed, 05 May 2010 16:03:35 +0200 Reply by vosen https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-9998/page-2/?recent=174539#post=174524 Quoted from byte

[...] When I said order I was referring to my program if your looking for the actual functionality change done by Sun Microsystems it was key value being stored in the memory data structure of a hashtable which changed (with their updates) when it returned the index number, that is what had changed. Cheers Byte

Keys in hashtable are unordered, you can't index them. Don't blame Sun for your lack of understanding of basic data structure.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=9998&post=174524 Wed, 05 May 2010 15:57:48 +0200 Reply by Bury. https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-9998/page-2/?recent=174539#post=174513 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=9998&post=174513 Wed, 05 May 2010 15:40:43 +0200 Reply by byte https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-9998/page-2/?recent=174539#post=174512 Quoted from fjord

[...]Could you elaborate on that? Afaik a Hashtable has no order.

When I said order I was referring to my program if your looking for the actual functionality change done by Sun Microsystems it was key value being stored in the memory data structure of a hashtable which changed (with their updates) when it returned the index number, that is what had changed. Cheers Byte]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=9998&post=174512 Wed, 05 May 2010 15:37:56 +0200 Reply by Rotab https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-9998/page-2/?recent=174539#post=174510 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=9998&post=174510 Wed, 05 May 2010 15:35:08 +0200 Reply by adam-skyride https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-9998/page-2/?recent=174539#post=174509 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=9998&post=174509 Wed, 05 May 2010 15:35:06 +0200 Reply by fjord https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-9998/page-2/?recent=174539#post=174505 Quoted from byte

[...] You of all ppl should know f2 as well, when i did my project in Java at the time in 2006 i used quite a few Hashtables and the order of how it picked up data in the table changed in their 2008 update(s) and my program stopped working/didn't function correctly [...]

Could you elaborate on that? Afaik a Hashtable has no order.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=9998&post=174505 Wed, 05 May 2010 15:25:51 +0200 Reply by Moregnan https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-9998/page-2/?recent=174539#post=174498 Quoted from longas

i want the dmatch mod back :(

this is, what I really miss too :/]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=9998&post=174498 Wed, 05 May 2010 15:02:55 +0200 Reply by byte https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-9998/page-2/?recent=174539#post=174489 Quoted from F2

Byte, the difference is that you could fix it. The makers of these plugins can't fix it (because Valve removed features from the engine). So they have wasted months of their time developing plugins that now render useless (and impossible to fix).

And I'm sure they will bring it back upon request or their pre-development as they are currently working I'm guessing? Doing a petition is hardly the correct procedure and you know it. But yes I did have an "alternative" method I guess with regards to TF2 they don't, so its a fair shout for the creators/authors to mention on steam forums or send an email to valve (as they do actually listen). Could just do the sensible thing and mention it to a guy in TF2 who has close quarters with valve. There's around 5 i'd say who are so :> Cheers Byte]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=9998&post=174489 Wed, 05 May 2010 14:51:57 +0200 Reply by gLongas https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-9998/page-2/?recent=174539#post=174482 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=9998&post=174482 Wed, 05 May 2010 14:38:07 +0200 Reply by Aeronn https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-9998/page-2/?recent=174539#post=174477 Quoted from lagi

Well, I bet they're gonna fix them as soon as possible

and that is exactly why I started this :)]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=9998&post=174477 Wed, 05 May 2010 14:28:48 +0200 Reply by F2 https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-9998/page-2/?recent=174539#post=174469 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=9998&post=174469 Wed, 05 May 2010 14:14:55 +0200 Reply by Extremer https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-9998/page-2/?recent=174539#post=174467 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=9998&post=174467 Wed, 05 May 2010 14:09:46 +0200 Reply by Lagitech https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-9998/page-1/?recent=174539#post=174466 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=9998&post=174466 Wed, 05 May 2010 14:03:34 +0200