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    	    <title>Reply by adam-skyride</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-9916/page-3/?recent=173247#post=173247</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Admirable</i>
		<blockquote>I've left indexing on because I think it's a useful feature and I understand that Win7 is "supposed" to not do it during games.</blockquote>

I couldn't honestly tell you how to have it such that it DEFINATELY is off when games are running. To be fair though, if you're not getting random FPS drops at times, then I doubt its on. As unreliable as that seems, think about it, even if it IS on but you're not getting FPS drops, is it a problem for it to be on? 

Personally I don't know a huge amount about it as given my experience with it in Vista, it was just constantly slowing down my PC all the bloody time so I just turned it off and forgot about it.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 04:11:44 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Admirable</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Tell me Skyride, how can I make sure hard-drive caching or whatever is not active on Win7.
I've tweaked a lot of my windows services and I don't have any extra junk running in the background.

I've left indexing on because I think it's a useful feature and I understand that Win7 is "supposed" to not do it during games.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 01:59:25 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by adam-skyride</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-9916/page-3/?recent=173247#post=172864</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Turtles</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

What is this and how can I check it?</blockquote>

Look at the HDD light on your PC, if its solid or flashing a lot while in-game (other than when you're loading or changing map) then its probably that, and even if its not we've got some idea what the problem is.

Also Focuz, I use -noborder and it makes a slight difference, although either way i get 60fps+ with PldX config. :)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 15:54:19 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by focuz</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-9916/page-2/?recent=173247#post=172858</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Are you'll sure windowed mode reduces fps? That's a piss off, cause the alt+tab problem never occurs with windowed mode. :((((]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 15:35:30 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Turtles</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-9916/page-2/?recent=173247#post=172856</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Skyride</i>
		<blockquote>Check Win7 isn't HDD Cacheing, It did that to me quite a lot of initial install which just destroyed my FPS.

Thats definately a software problem, that system is easy capable of 60fps+ with a config.</blockquote>

What is this and how can I check it?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 15:26:44 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Rake</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[My fps was actually slightly better all maxed out apart from AA which was at 4x @ 1920x1080 on W7 than I do on xp.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 15:23:48 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Dr. Chris</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Buffalo Bill</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Yes. I left it on DX9, didn't change settings and measured average framerate over 30 minutes or so.</blockquote>

enjoy your naked pictures at lan!]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 14:45:18 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Buffalo Bill</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from octochris</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

And you've determined that all of the following parameters are true:

- They are both using the same release of DX (WiC has a DX10 mode, so it is quite possible it may have changed DX version when you switched OS)
- No settings which may affect performance have been altered
- You get the same average framerate over a reasonable period of time within a small margin of error</blockquote>

Yes. I left it on DX9, didn't change settings and measured average framerate over 30 minutes or so.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 14:44:42 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Dr. Chris</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Buffalo Bill</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

World in Conflict performed equally well for me on XP as it does on W7.</blockquote>

And you've determined that all of the following parameters are true:

- They are both using the same release of DX (WiC has a DX10 mode, so it is quite possible it may have changed DX version when you switched OS)
- No settings which may affect performance have been altered
- You get the same average framerate over a reasonable period of time within a small margin of error]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 14:16:52 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Buffalo Bill</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from octochris</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

My point was based on arithmetic and logic tests that I've done, the comment about games was an afterthought.

If you can find me a game which <strong>does not alter settings between operating systems</strong> which performs better in DX9 or lower on 7 than XP, I'll eat my hat, and my shoes, and I'll even pose for nude photos at LAN.</blockquote>

World in Conflict performed equally well for me on XP as it does on W7.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 14:04:34 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Dr. Chris</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-9916/page-2/?recent=173247#post=172805</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Tikcus</i>
		<blockquote>Chris not wanting to start a flame war, but in your 'experience' windows 7 sucks up framerate

Windows 7 games performance compared to XP varies alot from game to game (most NEW games perform better in Windows 7), google it, you will find a +/- 10% max difference. in most games this is &#60; 2%</blockquote>

My point was based on arithmetic and logic tests that I've done, the comment about games was an afterthought.

If you can find me a game which <strong>does not alter settings between operating systems</strong> which performs better in DX9 or lower on 7 than XP, I'll eat my hat, and my shoes, and I'll even pose for nude photos at LAN.

<i>Quoted from Skyride</i>
		<blockquote>Still, I don't see why you would suggest someone uses an 8 year old operating system with a huuuge number of security flaws just so a Video Game runs a little better....</blockquote>

"huge number of security flaws"? no fewer than those of windows 7, last time I looked 2014 was the clincher.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 14:02:10 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Turtles</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Tikcus</i>
		<blockquote>
@ 1280*1024, i&#39;d expect that rig to hit 60-70 FPS minimum without running any FPS cfg
OP I assume you have verified integraty of game cache, and defragmented cache files?

*edit* 
If you are playing in windows mode, change back to full screen as windows mode does have a FPS hit</blockquote>

Yep, no windowed mode either.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 13:56:59 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Tikcus</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-9916/page-2/?recent=173247#post=172803</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Chris not wanting to start a flame war, but in your 'experience' windows 7 sucks up framerate

Windows 7 games performance compared to XP varies alot from game to game (most NEW games perform better in Windows 7), google it, you will find a +/- 10% max difference. in most games this is &#60; 2%

Driver updates make a hell of a big difference as well.

I&#39;m running windows 7 x64 with a frame rate never dropping below 80FPs @1440*900 all details set to max inc 8X AA (and i only got a Phenom II 955 &#38; a Radeon 4770 512MB)

The problems experienced by the OP are not likely to be caused by Windows 7, it is more likely caused by a 3rd party application/virus etc, a broken component, or a poorly configured PC. 

@ 1280*1024, i&#39;d expect that rig to hit 60-70 FPS minimum without running any FPS cfg
OP I assume you have verified integraty of game cache, and defragmented cache files?

*edit* 
If you are playing in windows mode, change back to full screen as windows mode does have a FPS hit]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 13:52:37 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by adam-skyride</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Its really more of a mid-way.

Will win7 have a lower frame rate than XP? yes

Will it be significantly lower than XP? except in freak cases, no

Still, I don't see why you would suggest someone uses an 8 year old operating system with a huuuge number of security flaws just so a Video Game runs a little better....

To be honest, if you are getting such a low FPS that you want to go back to XP, you really just need to upgrade your PC.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 13:50:37 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Turtles</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Thanks for the response.  I'll have a look through it all properly later on.  I think it's abit weird as well as I have a mate who's running almost exact same setup and gets fine fps without any configs or anything. 
Couple of things I forgot to add in OP.

Resolution 1280x1024
I ping about 20-30 to uk servers so thats not the problem.  Internet is pretty decent.  I was just using the net settings in the quantum cfg but might be better off setting them myself.  Will have a play about with them.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 13:47:02 +0200</pubDate>
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