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    	    <title>Reply by extine</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Ahhh. I was watching some ESH euro matches and some from other tourneys. Looking around ETF2L I thought you guys just played 1 30 min map for league play. Draws aren't common in American sport, but I dont mind them. Round difference doesn't affect whether its a draw or not? 3 round win compared to 1 round loss still equals draw? 

In that sense the NA system allows more come backs and still has the clock anxiety at half time. I was watching a match on freight where a team got a bad train at mid, then ended up getting countered all the way back to last and losing a round right before half time, big psychological hit. 

The difference between first to 5 or most points is pretty significant as well. I think 2 x 20 but with a most points scored format would be a great compromise between the two systems. 

You guys switch to bo3 for playoffs tho right? Or Golden Cap?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 00:54:43 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Randdalf</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from extine</i>
		<blockquote>I like the shorter 30 minute maps, it makes coverage easier that's for sure :D. I think the half time dynamic of the NA format helps promote aggression as if there are 5 minutes left in the map, you want to score a point instead of just wasting an advantageous position. 2 20 minute halves would be much better than 2 30 minute halves in my opinion. For once a week league action, 30 minutes almost seems too short while 40 minutes is a good compromise. Shorter halves, but that would promote attacks.</blockquote>

Instead of playing 1 map, we play 2 maps at 30 minutes each. I think, if anything, the 30 minute format promotes aggression even more than the American one, because once the time is over, that's it, no comebacks. It produces a spectacular final 15 minutes in some matches. Case in point: TCM vs idk?, and www vs Dignitas - two matches where both teams played all out aggressive, with spectator pleasing results.

When you consider than a team can feasibly roll you on 1 round in under 90 seconds, it makes attacking to gain a further advantage a much more enticing prospect, as it not only gives you momentum in subsequent rounds, but also makes your chance of losing much less than if you turtled with a narrow lead.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 00:29:55 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by cubeth</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[2x20 minutes 

YES]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 00:11:53 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by extine</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Hm, thats good to hear Snowie. It seems like even in Australia this match was a bit of an exception from the norm. I thought it was very illuminating example of why teams need to keep the pressure on and in highlighting areas where passivity hurts a team. 

I like the shorter 30 minute maps, it makes coverage easier that's for sure :D. I think the half time dynamic of the NA format helps promote aggression as if there are 5 minutes left in the map, you want to score a point instead of just wasting an advantageous position. 2 20 minute halves would be much better than 2 30 minute halves in my opinion. For once a week league action, 30 minutes almost seems too short while 40 minutes is a good compromise. Shorter halves, but that would promote attacks.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 23:32:38 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by SnowiE</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-9063/page-1/?recent=153578#post=153552</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I can see how first to 5 eliminates the chances of this tactic, but I can only remember one time a team turtled against us on a forward point to use up time in 6 seasons and numerous cups. So whilst it's a potential problem I don't think it really affects 30 minute TF2 as much as it could, most teams are more likely to push the advantage.

The commentary was good as always.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:39:35 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by extine</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Team Rewound won the first map: Gravel-Pit, so the draw allowed them to win the finals overall. If -A- team had won Badlands, it would have forced a 3rd map.  I don't agree with the draw leading to a win, as -A- team should have had the chance to win the final map and force a golden cap, but it was the decision of the organizers in an attempt to not have things run too long.

Yea, it is the same format as the Europeans, but played decidedly more passive. I think this Australian match shows how the 30 minute format can go wrong, even though the ending was exciting. The First to 5/Hour Long format can still include turtling, and gripes can be raised about it. How do you guys feel about the 30 minute CP format? The 30 minute format facilitates bo3 series, which are pretty cool but seem like quite a strain in the face of multiple matches per week. It seems like the map picking system, which they used in this tournament, disproportionally leads to maps like Well being played alot. This happened with TCM and PwR gaming, playing Well twice in a row.

The League system of determining which map is to be which week works well for promoting new maps and straying away from familiar turf. And the lack of bo3 series makes playoffs more concise with focused action. Surf through the eXtv youtube channel to see coverage of last season's ESEA-I playoffs. 

I'm looking forward to hearing more discussion and input from you guys on this.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:09:29 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by DominiX</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Team rewound really did a great come back there, whilst team -A- were actually sitting ducks, not using theire advantage. Really good job and they know when to take theire risks and not. Demo jump valley-choke was pretty effective. Yesterdays idk? VS TCM badlands last round looked pretty damn impressive, when under 1 minute to the end of the map they got the chanse of pushing down to the last point and I really think that made some pressure, nerves and almost a surprise fast round.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 13:28:49 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by jason</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[It seemed a fair bit different to badlands matches I've watched before. -A- played very defensively at times when they had a huge uber advantage.

Did -A- win the competition with the draw on badlands? If so I can understand the defensive nature of their play.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:44:52 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Waster</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[What exactly is wrong with the australian format? Seems they have the same rules as here in europe, just 30 minutes for one map and maybe a windifference of 5. I never experienced that this format leads to defensive play. But maybe only in the last 5 minutes when one team has only 1 point more they go for the lockdown, because they dont want to take unnessecary risks. 

Was a really good watch. I like the autralian valley push, where the demo jumps into choke. Seems to work really well.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:42:02 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Ka0s</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[nice plays]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 10:41:50 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by DouGie</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[awesome again, would be great if you could do either of those games :)

keep it up!]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 02:38:26 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by -Swifty-</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[idk? vs TCM ESH Sennheiser Challenge Finals €500 cash prize

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1868789/idk-vs-tcm-25-02-2010.zip

Was posted by F2 in another thread :)  ("
AH HOPE MINES A FOOTBALL" is Shintaz)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 02:37:20 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by extine</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Someone else gave me a hot tip about that www vs Dignitas match, just looked at the demo very briefly and saw the last cap :D Yea. I think that'd be a lot of fun to cover. Stay tuned... Any extra insight on players and match would be appreciated :D]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 02:23:11 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Darn</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from extine</i>
		<blockquote>Where can I find a sourceTV demo of it? That's all I need to cover a match, but couldn't find it on resupply.eu or cadred.org...</blockquote>

will be uploaded later, also might i suggest dig vs www in badlands]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 00:15:48 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by extine</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Where can I find a sourceTV demo of it? That's all I need to cover a match, but couldn't find it on resupply.eu or cadred.org...]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 00:07:36 +0100</pubDate>
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