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    	    <title>Reply by Jones</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-804/page-2/?recent=6540#post=6540</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I think smofo's is good:

Div 5 = Low
Div 4 = Low+
Div 3 = Mid
Div 2 = Mid+
Div 1 = High

Reasons are its simple and easy to understand. Obviously its just a guideline but it seems to make sense to me.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 00:06:21 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Mole</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-804/page-2/?recent=6540#post=6439</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[the troubles come in the fact that alot of it depends on opinion and how people rate themselves and others. I see teams in div1 being considered mid+ while teams at the bottom of Div2 considering themselves high.

The other trouble is that people rate themselves on how well they can do against teams in pcw's and think they're great if they win 1 game in a row. 1 game means nothing, you need to be able to do it consistantly and in official games where your opposition is actually playing to win, rather than trying different tactics or a different team.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:44:47 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by waebi</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-804/page-2/?recent=6540#post=6306</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[skill is if you have +o on #mpuktf2.pickup...

uh... nvm :D what i mean, the "skill" level should be divisions too, maybe ppl would rate themselves a bit better regarding their true levels. 

Or just make it possible to change Division during the season :D jk.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:20:05 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Wlv</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-804/page-2/?recent=6540#post=6305</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Observation is as important skill as any in tf2 :)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:15:02 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by weqo</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-804/page-2/?recent=6540#post=6302</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Team skill setting on ETF2L site is only something that we admins use when seeding to see where the teams rate themselves.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:00:09 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by NeoN</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-804/page-2/?recent=6540#post=6227</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Why not to use 'divN' terms instead of 'low----  high+++++' ? If you wanna find easy meat - decrease div number by 1 or maybe 2, if you want to be an easy meat - do inversed step :D

lowhigh terms have been messed up during last monthes, when count of teams became so high.

If you try to find mid skilled team for pcw now, you can meet team from div5 till div2 .. you dont know what to expect. Ofcourse you can make a list of teams, which you want to play with,  but that sucks..

Btw, when you registeredit team, you should notice "skill" graph, where you can choose a number... Is it used somehow during divisions creating or smthing? Or its just old-school stuff, from the times, when noone knew each other? ))]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 04:02:39 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Haunter</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-804/page-2/?recent=6540#post=6221</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[this is not about divs, there are player in lower div's with higher skill :)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:43:22 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by BOOMting</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-804/page-2/?recent=6540#post=6139</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Smofo your pretty much right although i'd say Div3 - Low+, Div2 - Mid.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 18:25:56 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Smofo</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-804/page-2/?recent=6540#post=6116</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[div5 low, div4 low+, div3 mid, div2 mid+, div1 high]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 00:04:17 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Admirable</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-804/page-2/?recent=6540#post=6112</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Consistency is what it's all about!]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:20:53 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by LD</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-804/page-2/?recent=6540#post=6087</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA["If you do ok against div2 teams and beat up div3 you’re mid maybe mid+.
Most div3 and below are low or low+."


matches quite well with what you said if you ask me :) like i said, its where you belong, not where you are in the papers]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 09:19:39 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Animal</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[div 3 isnt low, more like low+/mid, but id agree to everything else]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 09:17:31 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by LD</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-804/page-2/?recent=6540#post=6085</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[In order to determine whether you're low, med or high consider your place in the etf2l divisions, not where you are but where you belong, and which teams you can give a beating.

Ie if you belong in div1 and can put up a good fight against TLR, 4k etc you're skill "High".
If you do ok against div2 teams and beat up div3 you're mid maybe mid+.
Most div3 and below are low or low+.


The guidelines above are for clans note, like some earlier posters said, deciding your individual skill is more difficult, but a good thing to throw into the measurement mix is your experience in pcws, clawnwars and your accumulated merits, how well you consider yourself to read tactics against higher clans and anticipating their movement, this comes from experience and a great deal of gameplay.


Best regards
[IDAC]LD]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 09:12:07 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Dr. Sellrion</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-804/page-1/?recent=6540#post=6057</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>One solution could perhaps be to place more medpacks around the map or perhaps come up with some way to uber yourself without a medic (like the pentagram in old quake..).</i>
If so, then the game will revolve around that medipacks and pentagrams. :) Medic and his uber is TF2 indeed, so please stop climbing about that...]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:23:11 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Iller</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-804/page-1/?recent=6540#post=6048</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Offtopic : Yes, I also think the game revolves a bit too much around the medic and the uber.
One solution could perhaps be to place more medpacks around the map or perhaps come up with some way to uber yourself without a medic (like the pentagram in old quake..).

On the other hand, that would change the game to something enitirely different...

Ontopic :
One reason to ask my question is that I try to determine my own skill if I were about to seek a new clan. My team is playing in division 4 and we loose every match we play (mainly because we have no real tactics and most players are only active during matches). 
I don't want to give up because I am loosing, but if I loose I want to improve things as much as I can to prevent it from happening again, which is a bit hard if people are not active.

Individually my skill is much higher than the average div5/div4 soldier and I think noone is has more play time as solly than me (870 hours). I also do well when I mix with better teams. I am also very motivated to get better and possesses some intelligence (PhD in Mathematics, if this is relevant.), so I am quite able to quickly learn new tactical skills.

Probably I would say I am around mid+ in individual skill, but its hard to know.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:07:01 +0200</pubDate>
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