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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;Regarding the action against degu and pred.&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by Jediflamaster</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-35066/page-6/?recent=570344#post=570344</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Clark</i>
		<blockquote>
I don't know what your angle is at this point, but if you're trying to protect Jedi from something, you might as well just stop, because nobody, including me, is attacking him.</blockquote>

<i>Quoted from Clark</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

All those years I've thought you were just a massive troll, Jedi, and not a grade-A idiot. Thank you for dispelling that illusion.</blockquote>
To be fair I don't need anyone to protect me from something like this, nor do I think that's what eratic was trying to do.
I think he was just pointing out that you're being a dismissive jackass.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2018 18:25:09 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by StormingSheep</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-35066/page-6/?recent=570344#post=570336</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Jedi(fla)master</i>
		<blockquote>Competition is about the strong, the weak,</blockquote> 

I am the strong. You are the weak.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2018 23:50:02 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Makaka</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-35066/page-6/?recent=570344#post=570335</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Kiwi</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

True but at the same time saying that something is senseless can be interpretated as the person not having a "real" argument but is however just talking out of their ass. You also didn't respond to my other point and instead ignored it. You didn't sum up the entire discussion you just took out what you thought fits your "argument" best. 

feelsbirthdayman</blockquote>

The word "senseless" is not a matter of interpretation, it is what is, and if you're trying to <em>interpret</em> it you either don't know its meaning or are fishing for conflict. 

Summarizing a thread for comedic purposes is not the same as making an argument, or is it another word you seem to be struggling with definition of? 

I don't know what your angle is at this point, but if you're trying to protect Jedi from something, you might as well just stop, because nobody, including me, is attacking him.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2018 19:41:32 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by mydogdied</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-35066/page-6/?recent=570344#post=570329</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Clark</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

I said his argument was senseless, I didn't say he lacks one :)</blockquote>

True but at the same time saying that something is senseless can be interpretated as the person not having a "real" argument but is however just talking out of their ass. You also didn't respond to my other point and instead ignored it. You didn't sum up the entire discussion you just took out what you thought fits your "argument" best. 

feelsbirthdayman]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2018 05:13:19 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Makaka</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-35066/page-6/?recent=570344#post=570328</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Kiwi</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

You just decided to cherry picked his actions and take them out of context to make it seem like he has no argument at all.</blockquote>

I said his argument was senseless, I didn't say he lacks one :)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2018 04:19:49 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by mydogdied</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-35066/page-6/?recent=570344#post=570327</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Clark</i>
		<blockquote>So, just to sum it all up for people who stumbled upon here and don't want to read everything:

-poster makes a senseless argument;
-gets called out by around 15-20 people here, on tf.tv forums &#38; discord;
-tells people who criticise him to choke on a dick.

/thread</blockquote>

You just decided to cherry picked his actions and take them out of context to make it seem like he has no argument at all.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2018 04:17:24 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by SAMYANG</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-35066/page-6/?recent=570344#post=570282</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I get called gook ricefield T.T]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2018 13:17:50 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Mattalhead</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-35066/page-6/?recent=570344#post=570274</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from sheepy dog's hand</i>
		<blockquote>[...] 

What insults are left now that "retard" "autist" and "frenchie" are no longer acceptable because people who aren't autistic, french or retards (same thing) feel they need to get upset about it</blockquote>

reported to etf2l police

c u in jail kiddo]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2018 19:23:35 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by StormingSheep</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-35066/page-5/?recent=570344#post=570273</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[sheepy dog's hand: banter genius]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2018 17:05:07 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Goreston</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-35066/page-5/?recent=570344#post=570268</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from sheepy dog's hand</i>
		<blockquote>[...] 

What insults are left now that "retard" "autist" and "frenchie" are no longer acceptable because people who aren't autistic, french or retards (same thing) feel they need to get upset about it</blockquote>

I'm sure ETF2L's banter geniuses will come up with something.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2018 22:18:57 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by StormingSheep</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-35066/page-5/?recent=570344#post=570266</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Goreston</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Finally, I'm quite happy to condemn people who use autist as an insult. It's shitty.</blockquote> 

What insults are left now that "retard" "autist" and "frenchie" are no longer acceptable because people who aren't autistic, french or retards (same thing) feel they need to get upset about it]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2018 20:13:47 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by aZaZeL</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-35066/page-5/?recent=570344#post=570264</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[nice thread to just read and forget]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2018 18:27:05 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Jediflamaster</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Pecklesteiner</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

"Racism is bad" isn't hard to come upon, but that's irrelevant. Look at this from a purely cynical "business" standpoint. People are going to be edgy and whether they meant the slurs/etc is a m00t point because ETF2L don't want to be associated with people whose opinions are widely regarded (yes subjectively but widely, and that's a fact not an appeal to popularity) as bad. ETF2L has to be seen to be against this kind of thing.</blockquote>
The cynical perspective on this is completely understandable, but it's not at all incompatible with giving those players lighter punishments that don't affect the competition.
Let me get one thing straight, I may disagree with it, but I understand that ETF2L may want to enforce stricter behavioral standards to try and look good in this clusterfuck. I think  it's a dumb idea, I think it'll never be done well and that it's not in line with the spirit of competition as well as extremely patronising towards the people they want to look good to, but I get why they're doing it. Trying to enforce their future plans in the past to the point of crippling teams is what I have the biggest problem with.

<i>Quoted from Pecklesteiner</i>
		<blockquote>
 Plus your arguments are just mindless edge. "facts don't care about ur feelings libtard" kinda shit that I use as binds in lobbies.</blockquote> I urge you to read them again.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2018 17:04:40 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by MultiWars_</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Jedi(fla)master</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

[...]
Your subjective outlook on morality isn't a matter of brainpower.</blockquote>

"Racism is bad" isn't hard to come upon, but that's irrelevant. Look at this from a purely cynical "business" standpoint. People are going to be edgy and whether they meant the slurs/etc is a m00t point because ETF2L don't want to be associated with people whose opinions are widely regarded (yes subjectively but widely, and that's a fact not an appeal to popularity) as bad. ETF2L has to be seen to be against this kind of thing. Plus your arguments are just mindless edge. "facts don't care about ur feelings libtard" kinda shit that I use as binds in lobbies.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2018 16:41:15 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Goreston</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Jedi(fla)master</i>
		<blockquote>[...]
So is each indivdual player supposed to be screened for what they like or dislike on social media? Is ETF2L going to dictate that I should be morally obligated to care about that particular woman's experience? Why not throw whales, trees and polar bears in. 

Let's say I hate polar bears and I think it's good that they're going extinct, and perhaps we should speed the process up, too. (which, by the way, is way more discriminatory than calling someone a gook, but it's just bears, right? Who cares about bears? Or autists?). How am I supposed to know if in 2 days ETF2L isn't going to come up with "we'd like to distance ourselves from jedi(fla)master's bearist comments and ban him for half a year for advocating bear genocide". Just why exactly should anyone agree to this backwards shit of banning people and making up rules on the fly?

Also I don't think anyone told either pred or degu that they're signing up to be the PR of ETF2L. It's really not their fault that so many people are worse than them that they made it to prem. Has anyone notified them of the responsibilities ETF2L was going to impose on them? Or are we just going to go through the entire history of the league and check every player for ever calling someone a nigger (not autist though, who cares about them)? 

[...]
Your subjective outlook on morality isn't a matter of brainpower.</blockquote>

Ignoring the bear rubbish that surrounds it, the point about making up rules on the fly is a good one. Fortunately, ETF2L's statement includes a section where they state that they will be reviewing their rules in future. 

The vast majority of sporting organisations have rules to deal with "bringing the game into disrepute." This isn't some impossible never-tried-before sjw fantasy. Just don't be a prick and everything will be fine.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2018 15:23:14 +0200</pubDate>
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