ETF2L – Latest activity in “LAWL NICE TIERS (HL Edition)” https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-33579/ Reply by Grenjabob https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-33579/page-1/?recent=559366#post=559366 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=33579&post=559366 Sun, 30 Oct 2016 14:54:56 +0100 Reply by Stinson_Out https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-33579/page-1/?recent=559366#post=559365 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=33579&post=559365 Sun, 30 Oct 2016 14:45:25 +0100 Reply by Scrambled Ammo https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-33579/page-1/?recent=559366#post=559364 Quoted from kKaltUu
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Care to explain why the swiss system doesn't work with 15 teams? Other than the obvious odd number.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=33579&post=559364 Sun, 30 Oct 2016 14:36:36 +0100 Reply by kKaltUu https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-33579/page-1/?recent=559366#post=559363 Quoted from scrambled
Surely it would have been better to have two smaller high and mid tiers than combining such a huge skill range in to one tier.
It's not possible to do that with this low amount of teams. Quoted from scrambled
Wouldn't be surprised if quite a few mid teams drop out when they get rolled.
Sadly that's a big side effect from swiss without scaling rewards. That high and mid are mixed has little influence in that matter. Quoted from scrambled
I also do understand how the swiss system works, however I feel that given the circumstances people will be more likely to drop out of the season after losing a few at the start.
Looking at your first statement, you don't really understand how swiss works, or at least the impact that managing decisions have. Quoted from scrambled
Also, the main argument for the tiers getting combined is so that the swiss system works better. The most important reason for the swiss system working properly is so that people get matched against teams of similar skill. The divisions system also does that.
The divisional system doesn't do that, the admins do that by preseason seeding and spending a few full days on setting those up, as well as maintaining the divs throughout the season. The main argument for the tiers is that there is no soft solution to this. Make high round robin will put mid and open in a really difficult position and I'm not sure if the end of the season will stay fair with this number of signups. That said, seems like we're still discussing intermediate (haha) options. Bottom line is that we can't cook up 20 more teams out of thin air and solve all our problems. This requires some rigorous changes.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=33579&post=559363 Sun, 30 Oct 2016 14:18:41 +0100 Reply by Grenjabob https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-33579/page-1/?recent=559366#post=559357 Quoted from scrambled
Surely it would have been better to have two smaller high and mid tiers than combining such a huge skill range in to one tier. Wouldn't be surprised if quite a few mid teams drop out when they get rolled. I also do understand how the swiss system works, however I feel that given the circumstances people will be more likely to drop out of the season after losing a few at the start. Also, surely the main argument for the tiers getting combined is so that the swiss system works better. The most important reason for the swiss system working properly is so that people get matched against teams of similar skill. The divisions system also does that.
I mean, that's why they're using accelerated swiss instead of standard swiss. Though I feel that has it's own systemic issues.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=33579&post=559357 Sun, 30 Oct 2016 12:39:40 +0100 Reply by Maya la Babe https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-33579/page-1/?recent=559366#post=559356 Quoted from Crayon
don't really see the problem. i thought hl was meant to be more team orientated and less dm based so having more experienced players shouldnt make a huge difference overall. like i'm pretty sure a lot of the teams who signed up for mid have a chance of beating some of the teams who signed up for high.
My opinion : When you go mid, it's not to tryhard that much than players who go in high, usually, teams in high are experienced, not the cases of mid teams. Don't think there will be a lot of surprises during the season]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=33579&post=559356 Sun, 30 Oct 2016 12:27:27 +0100 Reply by Scrambled Ammo https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-33579/page-1/?recent=559366#post=559353 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=33579&post=559353 Sun, 30 Oct 2016 08:12:18 +0100 Reply by Jai Chapman https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-33579/page-1/?recent=559366#post=559344 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=33579&post=559344 Sun, 30 Oct 2016 02:19:53 +0200 Reply by Crayontology https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-33579/page-1/?recent=559366#post=559342 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=33579&post=559342 Sun, 30 Oct 2016 01:43:48 +0200 Reply by Maya la Babe https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-33579/page-1/?recent=559366#post=559323 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=33579&post=559323 Sat, 29 Oct 2016 21:10:14 +0200 Created by BOON_ https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-33579/page-1/?recent=559366#post=559322 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=33579&post=559322 Sat, 29 Oct 2016 21:08:26 +0200