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    	    <title>Reply by Muriel</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-30750/page-4/?recent=521487#post=521487</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Everyone is so hyped about matchmaking and what not. But has anyone stopped to think how the matchmaking will work? Wasn't Valve the one that said that they only have interest in 12v12 with all unlocks? I don't know if 6v6 will even be in the so hyped matchmaking. It's probably just me that's always looking at the bad side of everything and that has no hope in this game anymore. Highlander is a bigger opportunity than 6v6 and I still think that the "casual" community will transform this matchmaking thing in just a big and full of flukes abomination. Just like the Silver Ranks in CS:GO. It is indeed cool to have something that we all hoped for since 2007 in this game, but we have no idea on how it is, given the fact that all the rumors about this are just pure speculation and nothing has been confirmed officially or no announcement has been posted by Valve saying that TF2 is now a so acclaimed esport and that the matchmaking thing will be the biggest boner we will ever get.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2014 17:42:14 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Selektionsfaktor</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from kKaltUu</i>
		<blockquote>Mind you, the Valve team has taken on several outside contractors to work on competitive matchmaking for TF2 [...]</blockquote>

They have? How do you know? Can you elaborate on that? That sounds interesting.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2014 18:14:10 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by CHERRY COKE</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from kKaltUu</i>
		<blockquote>[...]
Mind you, the Valve team has taken on several outside contractors to work on competitive matchmaking for TF2 and there still is 0,0 done in terms of open or closed testing of this with current competitive players.</blockquote>
Or it is so closed that no one has told you :)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2014 16:00:42 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Bathory</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-30750/page-4/?recent=521487#post=520807</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Cause all csgo player actually play with the matchmaking, sur.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2014 14:01:13 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by IceRedFox</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from kKaltUu</i>
		<blockquote>CS:GO has 4 times the active players than TF2</blockquote>

Actually the number is much bigger, since a huge percent of tf2 playerbase does not give a shit about the actual game at all, sitting on trade_plaza trying to sell stout shako for 2 refind.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2014 13:43:45 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by thestephenplays</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from dodgydogman</i>
		<blockquote>I would quit CSGO and come back to tf2 right now if there was ranked matchmaking.

Its just way more appealing to press 1 button in CSGO and get a match in 20 seconds than to wait 20 minutes to find 2 medics to play with usually terribad players in tf2center.

I wish you could create a party in tf2 center and click a "I dont care what map" button to find a match instead of joining one of the 5 lobbies all waiting for medics.</blockquote> 

Dodgy &#60;3]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2014 10:51:27 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by kKaltUu</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from dodgydogman</i>
		<blockquote>I would quit CSGO and come back to tf2 right now if there was ranked matchmaking.

Its just way more appealing to press 1 button in CSGO and get a match in 20 seconds than to wait 20 minutes to find 2 medics to play with usually terribad players in tf2center.

I wish you could create a party in tf2 center and click a "I dont care what map" button to find a match instead of joining one of the 5 lobbies all waiting for medics.</blockquote>


CS:GO has 4 times the active players than TF2, let alone the fact that you're playing 1 role instead of 9 classes like we do.

It's pretty naive to wish for this if you can see how bad the system would become in it's current state.

Mind you, the Valve team has taken on several outside contractors to work on competitive matchmaking for TF2 and there still is 0,0 done in terms of open or closed testing of this with current competitive players.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2014 10:46:52 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Metal Gear</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from fraac</i>
		<blockquote>There's only one way to find out. Fight!</blockquote>

They already have, German's dominated and the rest of the world had to break it up.


;)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2014 04:40:40 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by dodgydogman</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-30750/page-4/?recent=521487#post=520771</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I would quit CSGO and come back to tf2 right now if there was ranked matchmaking.

Its just way more appealing to press 1 button in CSGO and get a match in 20 seconds than to wait 20 minutes to find 2 medics to play with usually terribad players in tf2center.

I wish you could create a party in tf2 center and click a "I dont care what map" button to find a match instead of joining one of the 5 lobbies all waiting for medics.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2014 00:49:40 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Tommy Testosterone</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-30750/page-4/?recent=521487#post=520769</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Wait, some yahoo somewhere on the internet says that TF2 is dead?

STOP THE FUCKING PRESSES]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2014 00:05:48 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by CHERRY COKE</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from ducky</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

What are you talking about, Permzilla is british :D</blockquote>
He always gets outvoted 2:1 though. Also your flag is German so it's obvious where you stand.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2014 16:01:07 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by ashnazg</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from ducky</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

What are you talking about, Permzilla is british :D</blockquote>

+rep for trying keep up the façade!]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2014 14:49:56 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Freakie</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from ducky</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

What are you talking about, Permzilla is british :D</blockquote>

He's but a puppet.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2014 14:32:43 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by fraac</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[There's only one way to find out. Fight!]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2014 14:18:22 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by joesefff</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Meeto</i>
		<blockquote>We've gotten by this long without Valves support, why would that suddenly change now? Because they didn't respond to a letter? If Valve ends up taking an interest (and they have if the matchmaking rumours are to be believed) then great. If they don't, well, no use crying about it. I suppose it's a bigger problem in America where the only real league they have is ESEA, <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline"></span>ran by jews</strong>, instead of a community league <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline"></span>ran by Germans.</strong></blockquote>
which one is better though]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2014 14:12:48 +0100</pubDate>
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