ETF2L – Latest activity in “How useful are mentors?” https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-30190/ Reply by rouHe https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-30190/page-2/?recent=511375#post=511375 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=30190&post=511375 Sat, 06 Sep 2014 01:20:59 +0200 Reply by y4eHuK https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-30190/page-2/?recent=511375#post=510696 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=30190&post=510696 Thu, 28 Aug 2014 18:00:47 +0200 Reply by Crazyman https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-30190/page-2/?recent=511375#post=510692 Quoted from juan
a mentor is as useful as you let him be, for example your school teacher tries to teach you but it depends on you if you actually retain the information if u dont give a fuck, dont do ur homework and dont study: ull be shit. with mentors its the same, theres only so much a mentor can do the rest is up to you, u can just do a 1 hour mentoring session and hope for magic. just like in school, u have to do most of the work
You can't compare teachers to mentors. TF2 is a skill you develop while playing, much like driving a car. Someone can tell you how to drive a car, but that doesn't mean you can properly drive one. And much like learning how to drive a car, it just takes practice and most things (should) come natural the more you drive a car. I feel TF2 is the same way, and that mentoring isn't very helpful in that regard, at least not at player level. Team level might be better, but I don't think people can really change. A team either works (or it's doing poorly, but there is "potential), or doesn't, but I don't think you can make a bad team with bad teamwork a good team with good teamwork. You can improve DM, but I think game sense tends to stagnate after a while, you either have it by then, or you don't. If you have game sense in general, you'll quickly improve tactics wise on most classes you'll main (by playing and watching some demos), and you won't need a mentor. tl;dr: No, mentors aren't very helpful, better off teaching yourself by playing and watching some demos.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=30190&post=510692 Thu, 28 Aug 2014 17:51:59 +0200 Reply by tarek006 https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-30190/page-2/?recent=511375#post=510634 Quoted from Casino
I'm being mentored by Admirable right now
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Team mentors are 10 times as useful as individual mentors.
+1 Team Colonslash had Academy projects a few times so far, and it's always easier to mentor the whole team and see the whole picture than just try with one player and see how far you go. For example, you can't fully mentor a pocket without seeing his Medic and what mistakes THEY do together. To answer your question - they are very useful. I was lucky enough to get some help from Fish, an older player with a lot of insight, so keep trying to find a mentor that fits your glove.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=30190&post=510557 Wed, 27 Aug 2014 22:59:22 +0200 Reply by Nati0n https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-30190/page-1/?recent=511375#post=510556 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=30190&post=510556 Wed, 27 Aug 2014 22:58:55 +0200 Reply by Jim Williams https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-30190/page-1/?recent=511375#post=510543 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=30190&post=510543 Wed, 27 Aug 2014 22:06:12 +0200 Reply by Team mate https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-30190/page-1/?recent=511375#post=510534 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=30190&post=510534 Wed, 27 Aug 2014 21:10:56 +0200 Reply by fraac https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-30190/page-1/?recent=511375#post=510530 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=30190&post=510530 Wed, 27 Aug 2014 20:50:54 +0200 Reply by Scissors-HL https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-30190/page-1/?recent=511375#post=510525 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=30190&post=510525 Wed, 27 Aug 2014 19:56:11 +0200 Reply by gilad1280 https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-30190/page-1/?recent=511375#post=510524 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=30190&post=510524 Wed, 27 Aug 2014 19:55:45 +0200 Reply by Soney https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-30190/page-1/?recent=511375#post=510523 Quoted from .kr4tos
[...] thats it, you have to make sure its still you who is playing, even if you are mentored. he can help you to figure out some mistakes and tell you some "tricks" what you can do to avoid some things in certain situations. but its all about you to break your bad habits.
+1 to that, mentors only show you small mistakes and the general way of doing things, the bulk of the work should be done by you, be it through watching your own demos, watching other people's demos and playing. Despite popular belief, playing does help :)]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=30190&post=510523 Wed, 27 Aug 2014 19:50:54 +0200