ETF2L – Latest activity in “can we please get a new HL mix site?” https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-29699/ Reply by LaMqTa https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-29699/page-8/?recent=505035#post=505035 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=29699&post=505035 Fri, 04 Jul 2014 18:40:20 +0200 Reply by Kaneco https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-29699/page-8/?recent=505035#post=504759 Quoted from Kuferl
Do whatever you want, if it is the spreadsheet, tf2pickup or tf2center, but maybe try to actually stick to something and not let it die again so you'll have to revive it again and again and again. Sadly the only HL pickups we had were either due to raffles for these or (not sadly though) due to our toth event when we donated for each pickup played.
This Its laughable to complaint that there are no alternatives when there are plenty around prepared to handle an influx of players but the community is not even giving it a chance.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=29699&post=504759 Tue, 01 Jul 2014 17:59:51 +0200 Reply by HedoKingoglu https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-29699/page-7/?recent=505035#post=504752 Quoted from foxy_dave
Shameless plug that all this can be done on TF2Center already (and already is, ala EZmixes). Substitutes - supported
TF2center Ezmixes sub system is horrible, it is quick yes but the subs you get are mostly entry level players. So it really isn't something that is implemented.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=29699&post=504752 Tue, 01 Jul 2014 16:48:45 +0200 Reply by Kuferl https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-29699/page-7/?recent=505035#post=504743 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=29699&post=504743 Tue, 01 Jul 2014 14:26:55 +0200 Reply by foxy_dave https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-29699/page-7/?recent=505035#post=504739 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=29699&post=504739 Tue, 01 Jul 2014 13:03:14 +0200 Reply by LaMqTa https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-29699/page-7/?recent=505035#post=504738 Quoted from b33p
[...] Sounds good, would mean pretty much anybody can organise one. But does the host have any control on that website? I'm not familiar. And if only one game can be played at once, what happens to the people who already signed up?
If someone manages to get 18 people who are ready for game, simply add me or anyone from the admins(if they are not even online in the website) and they will clear the pickupbot for you! There is no problem in that and i think that will motivate the players who join the pugs separately to join the spreadsheet => faster hl games.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=29699&post=504738 Tue, 01 Jul 2014 12:40:48 +0200 Reply by b33p_ https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-29699/page-7/?recent=505035#post=504732 Quoted from jakeowaty
tl;dr Why don't you join the spreadsheet with TF2Pickup? Everyone just join up there, since everything is set up (including the website, server and mumble), so you don't even have to provide your own shit. At a set time just go there and play. Much easier finding subs as well if there is a need. And everyone is happy.
Sounds good, would mean pretty much anybody can organise one. But does the host have any control on that website? I'm not familiar. And if only one game can be played at once, what happens to the people who already signed up?]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=29699&post=504732 Tue, 01 Jul 2014 06:39:57 +0200 Reply by alexk6 https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-29699/page-7/?recent=505035#post=504714 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=29699&post=504714 Tue, 01 Jul 2014 02:41:10 +0200 Reply by FlamingBear15 https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-29699/page-7/?recent=505035#post=504690 Quoted from jakeowaty
tl;dr Why don't you join the spreadsheet with TF2Pickup? Everyone just join up there, since everything is set up (including the website, server and mumble), so you don't even have to provide your own shit. At a set time just go there and play. Much easier finding subs as well if there is a need. And everyone is happy.
That could work. why not give it a try?]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=29699&post=504690 Mon, 30 Jun 2014 23:04:58 +0200 Reply by HedoKingoglu https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-29699/page-7/?recent=505035#post=504686 Quoted from jakeowaty
tl;dr Why don't you join the spreadsheet with TF2Pickup? Everyone just join up there, since everything is set up (including the website, server and mumble), so you don't even have to provide your own shit. At a set time just go there and play. Much easier finding subs as well if there is a need. And everyone is happy.
I wholeheartedly agree with this.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=29699&post=504686 Mon, 30 Jun 2014 21:59:29 +0200 Reply by Gentleman Jon https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-29699/page-7/?recent=505035#post=504683 Quoted from fraac
Wiethoofd, people are clearly saying that as well as balancing you need the ability to set a minimum skill requirement. You can use the same ratings for this, no?
There's a number of things being asked for, what the spreadsheet method boils down to is a most-skilled-served-first regular game that will go ahead after a certain period with the best players signed up in that period getting in to play. The main problem with ratings in this regard is if it's a closed sub-population in terms of wider participation with the whole population of the service. If exclusion happens when ratings drop, which they will for some players if they only play in these games, then a significant amount of the sub-population will drop out of these elite groups unless they also participate with the service's general population to keep their ratings up by thrashing scrubs. They will also find that players in the wider population have disproportionately high ratings because they haven't been playing against them and beating them to keep them down so players who you wouldn't expect to have access will start turning up. It would be possible, and desirable, to give high level competitive players an initial boost and a baseline level can probably be inferred from the limited participation records available, but even so over time it would have to be accepted that bleed from the original population would happen. One solution to soften this would be a series of stepped game groups with descending skill ceilings so if you found yourself locked out of a higher one you could at least earn your way back in without having to start playing in the open population, and the open population would have a stepped series of higher levels to aspire to. To launch all this in a single big bang installation is quite a challenge. There would need to be quite a bit of effort involved in identifying competitive players and assigning them to the appropriate skill groups to ensure their special treatment. Not impossible but it's a lot to do for a small number of players.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=29699&post=504683 Mon, 30 Jun 2014 21:42:53 +0200 Reply by jakeowaty https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-29699/page-7/?recent=505035#post=504674 tl;dr Why don't you join the spreadsheet with TF2Pickup? Everyone just join up there, since everything is set up (including the website, server and mumble), so you don't even have to provide your own shit. At a set time just go there and play. Much easier finding subs as well if there is a need. And everyone is happy.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=29699&post=504674 Mon, 30 Jun 2014 20:20:30 +0200 Reply by Scissors-HL https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-29699/page-7/?recent=505035#post=504670 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=29699&post=504670 Mon, 30 Jun 2014 19:47:47 +0200 Reply by Yes. https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-29699/page-7/?recent=505035#post=504668 Quoted from foxy_dave
[...] We (at TF2C) don't want to become an entry-level-only site
too late]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=29699&post=504668 Mon, 30 Jun 2014 19:34:57 +0200 Reply by foxy_dave https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-29699/page-7/?recent=505035#post=504664 Quoted from Russian Guyovich
You're mostly right, however I wouldn't say it makes zero sense. A nice feature to have would be to advertise tf2pickup to anyone who has played a certain number of tf2center lobbies (say 100 or so).
We (at TF2C) don't want to become an entry-level-only site, and we're focussing on improving lobby quality at the moment, particularly for higher-end games. We don't want to be encouraging the higher level players to leave since the new players then have an even harder time improving, and we become TF2Lobby-esque. We've done pretty well (as far as I can tell) at attracting and retaining more high-level players than Lobby ever had, and the next step is to do what we can to retain those players and make sure they are catered for as best we can :)]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=29699&post=504664 Mon, 30 Jun 2014 18:54:59 +0200