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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;Removing Uber&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by frooker</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-291/page-2/?recent=4264#post=4264</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Count me in as demo at the 'without primary' competition. ;)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:16:40 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by cRz</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-291/page-2/?recent=4264#post=4245</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[melee only please

but without heavy fists and spy they are imba

...

hum melee only with only one class would be best balanced!! thats the only solution everybody of us should agree to!

[/irony]

that kinds of discussion make me bored]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:10:53 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Joliet Jake</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-291/page-2/?recent=4264#post=4242</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[lets remove all weapons and make a "water-the-flowers"tf2 contest. That would be a lot of fun :v]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:37:12 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by RedCore</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-291/page-2/?recent=4264#post=4200</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[lets remove primary weapons (omfg suggestion)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:03:15 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Haunter</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-291/page-1/?recent=4264#post=3391</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[kritzkrieg ftw]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 03:40:17 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Bonsai</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-291/page-1/?recent=4264#post=3262</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Remove the uber and you remove the excitement, the scared look on the opposition's faces when your team has it; the scared look on your teammate's faces when they have it. The sheer frustration when both teams have it on mid point and you sit down for 5 seconds and have some tea and cake.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:25:14 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by node</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-291/page-1/?recent=4264#post=3261</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Remove uber, cl1

Faptastic.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:09:55 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by fJack</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-291/page-1/?recent=4264#post=1875</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I'm going to be an arrogant prick and quote myself ;P

"It's an interesting question.

The entire game hinges around the Medic and his uber; a lot of tactics and depth the game has evolved stem from that. I'm not sure how the TF2 would play without uber, but I have a feeling there would be more direct conflict and less waiting around. Or perhaps the complete opposite would arise: people would hang back until they've made enough kills to push a point and due to the emphasis on defense, gameplay would grind to a halt and stagnate.

So whether or not that is a better, deeper setup for a competitive game remains to be seen. I think so much of TF2 has been built around the concept that even in the sterile 6v6 environment it could be too integral to remove.

I would be interested to see a no-uber league/cup or series of games out of sheer curiosity..."


The question melior posed was mainly related to the use of uber in a competitive context, and I feel the question was more valid than many of you seem to be giving credit for.

No I'm not gonna insist Valve patch out the uber or some such nonsense but I am interested in how the game would play out 6v6 without it.

Especially on maps such as Well with 5 minutes of action and 25 standing around ubering up out/inside points 2/4.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:25:59 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Fiend</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-291/page-1/?recent=4264#post=1874</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[No uber would increase the skill level alot better imho]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:07:01 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by ShitFly</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-291/page-1/?recent=4264#post=1872</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[i can't believe people suggest this :s]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:02:24 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by pukz</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-291/page-1/?recent=4264#post=1871</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Yes removing uber would change the game completely and like people have said.. how would you attack a small cp with a well positioned defence.. it would be 0-0 all round..

seems that people just want to change the game because they can't keep up with the high teams.. how about practise more??

how about we could have hidden uber boxes hidden in palm tree's next to the magic shoes and rings then at cp5 we could use these to defeat doctor robotnic?

:P]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:23:38 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Iller</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-291/page-1/?recent=4264#post=1847</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Very bad idea.
Without uber, TF2 would become a turtling engy paradise..

If you want to get a felling for what it would be like, join a random public dustbowl server on the attacking team.
Then try to get past those 4 sgs, 3 demomen with stickies everywhere and heavies guarding all possibe attack paths (with no medic helping you with any uber as usual..).

If they removed the engy and demo as well it could possible work, but then the game would be more boring and totally different..]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:41:54 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Xzar</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-291/page-1/?recent=4264#post=1844</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[rather retarded idea indeed]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:19:17 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Jdanzi</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-291/page-1/?recent=4264#post=1842</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Rofl ... how can you suggest such a thing]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:02:35 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Mole</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-291/page-1/?recent=4264#post=1841</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[without uber too many places can just be locked out and you'd see so many no score draws. Can you imagine coming up against 2 demo and 2 engi's and not having an uber to run in and do something about it?

Right now Uber is the only thing stopping teams from turtling with engi's.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:52:48 +0200</pubDate>
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