ETF2L – Latest activity in “Round time limit” https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-27347/ Reply by raugnioz https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-27347/page-2/?recent=473654#post=473654 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=27347&post=473654 Wed, 09 Oct 2013 10:33:01 +0200 Reply by konr https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-27347/page-2/?recent=473654#post=473651 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=27347&post=473651 Wed, 09 Oct 2013 10:15:07 +0200 Reply by Koeitje https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-27347/page-2/?recent=473654#post=473650 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=27347&post=473650 Wed, 09 Oct 2013 08:14:37 +0200 Reply by E-thug https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-27347/page-2/?recent=473654#post=473647 Quoted from rviens
It is broken to a point where you can have rounds lasting up to 20 minutes and that's not how a game like TF2 works.
Whats wrong with 20 minutes rounds? Its not the length that is the problem if there ever was a problem. It's what people do in those 20 minutes. If youre a pussy ass team then sure, let the team push into you with ubering first and then get out alive. giving them the advantage. TF2 doesnt need round time limits because simply tf2 is fine the way its played right now.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=27347&post=473647 Wed, 09 Oct 2013 04:25:08 +0200 Reply by ashnazg https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-27347/page-1/?recent=473654#post=473614 Quoted from rviens
[...] It is broken to a point where you can have rounds lasting up to 20 minutes and that's not how a game like TF2 works.
You're trying to tackle those realllllly slow games where both teams dont want to push. Currently after 10min the game basically resets. That's okay imho but, as you pointed out, it kinda does reward just holding 2nd. Then again, its usually easier to push from mid to 2nd than vice versa, and its usually the team holding the mid that has the better chances for a successful push, not even considering any player/uber advantages gained from the mid fight. You are now proposing to cut off any round after for example 10min. That would result in really even, back-and-forth games (which are arguably the most fun games to watch and play) being cut off at some more or less random point in time - midgame. Whoever happens to hold the mid at that point, wins. Also, while discouraging holding 2nd until round resets, it encourages holding mid until you win. Not sure which is preferable tbh, both are shit, only one threatens to cut off vivid games tho.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=27347&post=473614 Tue, 08 Oct 2013 20:08:53 +0200 Reply by rviens https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-27347/page-1/?recent=473654#post=473613 Quoted from Setsul
[...] So basically if you win mid and have advantage or equal übers the round is over?
How do you think pushing 2nd or mid works anyways? If a team has an advantage it pushes last and wins, it works just like it did before. However, pushes would also be come more coordinated, considering losing uber advantage would essentially cause the attacking team to collapse and be pushed back. The game works the same as it did before, only that the defending team won't be able to sit on their asses winning by one point and the attacking teams will work on their pushes, because losing middle is much bigger of a deal than before. Quoted from toogyboogy
why fix what aint broken?
It is broken to a point where you can have rounds lasting up to 20 minutes and that's not how a game like TF2 works. Quoted from Selek
New meta: Win the mid fight, the respawns go Engy/Heavy, defend mid until the time is up. No thank you :)
The open spaces mids provide do not let Engy be a viable option, neither the Heavy, because of low long range damage. Badlands mid is a flank feast, Gullywash also, same goes for every map in the map pool. Imagine the new time limit like playing koth, but with greater depth. Your mentality is correct in a way, that it is a way to play the game with the time limit, however you have to realize that pushing middles is a lot easier than pushing lasts.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=27347&post=473613 Tue, 08 Oct 2013 19:41:26 +0200 Reply by Selektionsfaktor https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-27347/page-1/?recent=473654#post=473612 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=27347&post=473612 Tue, 08 Oct 2013 19:35:17 +0200 Reply by Dendocror https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-27347/page-1/?recent=473654#post=473611 Quoted from toogyboogy
why fix what aint broken?
people think it is broken though, that's the thing.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=27347&post=473611 Tue, 08 Oct 2013 19:33:48 +0200 Reply by E-thug https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-27347/page-1/?recent=473654#post=473607 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=27347&post=473607 Tue, 08 Oct 2013 19:11:53 +0200 Reply by Setsul https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-27347/page-1/?recent=473654#post=473606 Quoted from rviens
[...] Exactly what I mean, running out the time limit would not be viable because the mid holding team wins.
So basically if you win mid and have advantage or equal übers the round is over?]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=27347&post=473606 Tue, 08 Oct 2013 19:07:31 +0200 Reply by rviens https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-27347/page-1/?recent=473654#post=473605 Quoted from fraac
He's saying that holding mid at the time limit wins the round, so that's why you would repush. But it's not what the Americans do so it's hardly likely to be introduced.
Exactly what I mean, running out the time limit would not be viable because the mid holding team wins.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=27347&post=473605 Tue, 08 Oct 2013 19:01:10 +0200 Reply by byte https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-27347/page-1/?recent=473654#post=473572 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=27347&post=473572 Tue, 08 Oct 2013 12:56:37 +0200 Reply by Animal https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-27347/page-1/?recent=473654#post=473564 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=27347&post=473564 Tue, 08 Oct 2013 09:26:27 +0200 Reply by doksisthebest https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-27347/page-1/?recent=473654#post=473563 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=27347&post=473563 Tue, 08 Oct 2013 09:17:10 +0200 Reply by fraac https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-27347/page-1/?recent=473654#post=473555 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=27347&post=473555 Tue, 08 Oct 2013 03:17:09 +0200