[...] I don't rate any of those maps.

[...] I don't rate any of those maps.

How about you'd fund a cup for new maps in ETF2L like all the ones we suggested? That'd be a cool idea and also a chance to play new maps such as: cp_metalworks cp_derecho (looks like alot of potential to it) koth_canopy koth_coalplant (please this) cp_ediface These maps in one cup of 5 rounds, each round bo3 and will contain only the new maps we choose.

Isn't it the case that good, unknown 6v6 maps don't exist, rather than we're just not playing them? STAR_ held a competition on tf2maps.net looking for highlander koth maps, the winner was koth_arctic. I'd add a couple of hundred quid to a prize fund for 6v6 5cp maps.

Trial and error implies blindly guessing, feeding the result into a simple algorithm, then making an adjustment according to a simple calculation and repeating until you're satisfied. It's crude.

Isn't it the case that good, unknown 6v6 maps don't exist, rather than we're just not playing them? STAR_ held a competition on tf2maps.net looking for highlander koth maps, the winner was koth_arctic. I'd add a couple of hundred quid to a prize fund for 6v6 5cp maps.

[...] I think some are resentful towards unlock comments partly because they see it as distracting from map making. Maps are half a game's gameplay, and are normally the only thing that's up to the community. But TF2's unlocks create this "catalogue & chequebook engineering" situation that's also left up to the community thanks to black/whitelists. Choosing is easier than creating or reworking, in fact it's so easy to toggle these choices on & off that everyone wants to get involved and give input because it's just so easy to implement. What's more, with all these old maps lying about, people start doing the same with them. I'm not saying you are or aren't onto something, but you're proposal is just more input about mix-and-match choices, rather than putting time, effort and thought into the specifics of finding and analysing problems, then designing and implementing new solutions. "Design by trial and error is not good practice", my lab professor reminded me this year. Off-topic: I wonder what Scott Adams (creator of Dilbert) would make of the compTF2 community/situation....

[...] In any case, yes. New maps over old maps; I just thought you could revive an old map as well and see it in a new light.

[...] I asked a question and didn't make a statement. I've been quiet in these threads before because I hadn't played the maps; which is why I'm asking those questions in the first place. Anyway, an example...from what I've seen, when it comes to Gravelpit, people complained about Sentries being too easy to protect (in addition to a possibility of there being 2). I don't know if this was tried in other leagues, but wouldn't the Direct Hit solve a large part of that problem? In any case, yes. New maps over old maps; I just thought you could revive an old map as well and see it in a new light.