ETF2L – Latest activity in “A Guide to FOV in TF2”

ETF2L – Latest activity in “A Guide to FOV in TF2” https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-25845/ Reply by skeej https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-25845/page-5/?recent=453214#post=453214 Quoted from Spike Himself

[...] And that is the one you are arguing against?

?]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=25845&post=453214 Fri, 24 May 2013 13:10:40 +0200 Reply by Spike Himself https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-25845/page-5/?recent=453214#post=453202 Quoted from skeej

Restricting fov will reduce vfov while keeping hfov constant (this is how aspect 2 works)

And that is the one you are arguing against?]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=25845&post=453202 Fri, 24 May 2013 11:38:40 +0200 Reply by Setsul https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-25845/page-5/?recent=453214#post=453160 Quoted from Casual

[...] Okay so there's 3 'modes' in which way things can be restricted: 1. add black borders. 2. keep vfov, stretch image horizontally. 3. reduce vfov (will look zoomed in for 3 monitor setups etc). And Valve decided to go with 3.

Yes, because 1. adding black borders is the same as restricting the aspect ratio 2. stretching is not implemented in the source engine (and retarded) 3. reducing vfov works perfectly fine 3 also confuses people which is probably the main reason for valve to use it.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=25845&post=453160 Fri, 24 May 2013 01:39:25 +0200 Reply by CursedGhost https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-25845/page-5/?recent=453214#post=453156 Quoted from skeej

[...] Nah not rly mate Restricting AR would result in, yes, distorted image, OR black borders (probably left/right on widescreen monitors), as if one is running a custom resolution Restricting fov will reduce vfov while keeping hfov constant (this is how aspect 2 works) Basically what Setsul says in his last line of his last post.

Okay so there's 3 'modes' in which way things can be restricted: 1. add black borders. 2. keep vfov, stretch image horizontally. 3. reduce vfov (will look zoomed in for 3 monitor setups etc). And Valve decided to go with 3.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=25845&post=453156 Fri, 24 May 2013 01:30:47 +0200 Reply by skeej https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-25845/page-5/?recent=453214#post=453148 Quoted from Casual

[...] Wat aspect ratio = fov who gives a fuck if you have a super wide screen and everything is distorted.

Nah not rly mate Restricting AR would result in, yes, distorted image, OR black borders (probably left/right on widescreen monitors), as if one is running a custom resolution Restricting fov will reduce vfov while keeping hfov constant (this is how aspect 2 works) Basically what Setsul says in his last line of his last post.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=25845&post=453148 Fri, 24 May 2013 01:10:06 +0200 Reply by Dukermons https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-25845/page-5/?recent=453214#post=453131 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=25845&post=453131 Fri, 24 May 2013 00:43:29 +0200 Reply by CursedGhost https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-25845/page-5/?recent=453214#post=453126 Quoted from skeej

[...] First person (besides me obviously) who gets it. Grats! And no Casual, thats not what laerin said at all. He said: restricting the aspect ratio, NOT the horizontal or vertical fov. Your mentioned cvar has nothing to do with that. There is no cvar in tf2 (afaik) that restricts a client's aspect ratio from the server-side.

Wat aspect ratio = fov who gives a fuck if you have a super wide screen and everything is distorted.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=25845&post=453126 Fri, 24 May 2013 00:39:11 +0200 Reply by Setsul https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-25845/page-5/?recent=453214#post=453065 Quoted from laerin

[...] I didn't state it'd change. You've been able to do that since the beginning of tf2 and it's necessary to how fov is handled by the game. Even with a 4:3 resolution, you're getting an increased fov because of it. Only thing they can do would be to reduce the amount you can gain by restricting the aspect ratio you can use but even then, I believe multiple monitors are exempt from that.

4:3 gives you exactly the fov specified by fov_desired. sv_restrict_aspect_ratio_fov 1 and 2 prevent you from getting a horizontal fov higher than 108.44°, which you get with an aspect ratio of 1.85:1. For all aspect ratios higher than that the h. fov stays the same and the value for fov itself (not fov_desired) and therefore the vertical fov is reduced. 1 only works for windowed, 2 works for both windowed and fullscreen and affects multiple monitors aswell. tl;dr Valve doesn't have to restrict aspect ratios to restrict fov.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=25845&post=453065 Thu, 23 May 2013 21:35:56 +0200 Reply by skeej https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-25845/page-5/?recent=453214#post=453050 Quoted from laerin

[...] I didn't state it'd change. You've been able to do that since the beginning of tf2 and it's necessary to how fov is handled by the game. Even with a 4:3 resolution, you're getting an increased fov because of it. Only thing they can do would be to reduce the amount you can gain by restricting the aspect ratio you can use but even then, I believe multiple monitors are exempt from that.

First person (besides me obviously) who gets it. Grats! And no Casual, thats not what laerin said at all. He said: restricting the aspect ratio, NOT the horizontal or vertical fov. Your mentioned cvar has nothing to do with that. There is no cvar in tf2 (afaik) that restricts a client's aspect ratio from the server-side.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=25845&post=453050 Thu, 23 May 2013 21:14:44 +0200 Reply by CursedGhost https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-25845/page-5/?recent=453214#post=453036 Quoted from laerin

[...] I didn't state it'd change. You've been able to do that since the beginning of tf2 and it's necessary to how fov is handled by the game. Even with a 4:3 resolution, you're getting an increased fov because of it. Only thing they can do would be to reduce the amount you can gain by restricting the aspect ratio you can use but even then, I believe multiple monitors are exempt from that.

And etf2l cfg has completely disabled it. sv_restrict_aspect_ratio_fov 0]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=25845&post=453036 Thu, 23 May 2013 20:36:29 +0200 Reply by Laerin https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-25845/page-5/?recent=453214#post=453032 Quoted from konr

[...]And if that changes, like you stated?

I didn't state it'd change. You've been able to do that since the beginning of tf2 and it's necessary to how fov is handled by the game. Even with a 4:3 resolution, you're getting an increased fov because of it. Only thing they can do would be to reduce the amount you can gain by restricting the aspect ratio you can use but even then, I believe multiple monitors are exempt from that.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=25845&post=453032 Thu, 23 May 2013 20:24:37 +0200 Reply by Dukermons https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-25845/page-4/?recent=453214#post=452962 Quoted from foxy_dave

[...] Sorry, I missed the sasrcasm tag :(

Thank god, I've had my fill of retards today.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=25845&post=452962 Thu, 23 May 2013 17:36:18 +0200 Reply by Asskicker https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-25845/page-4/?recent=453214#post=452954 Quoted from Kerch

I think Casual has a point. Although I wouldn't call it scamming, the key system in TF2 is surely a form of gambling with all the same risks as 'real' gambling, but do Valve have to obey gambling laws? For example, I think some countries require bookmakers to have a self-exclusion scheme where people can ban themselves from using them.

It's not really gambling because you receive something of equal value for paying: a key.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=25845&post=452954 Thu, 23 May 2013 17:02:57 +0200 Reply by foxy_dave https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-25845/page-4/?recent=453214#post=452939 Quoted from Monkeh

[...] ermmmm, yeah right.

Sorry, I missed the sasrcasm tag :(]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=25845&post=452939 Thu, 23 May 2013 15:45:00 +0200 Reply by Trane https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-25845/page-4/?recent=453214#post=452916 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=25845&post=452916 Thu, 23 May 2013 14:10:15 +0200