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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;HL rec posts&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by Rychius</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24639/page-2/?recent=437025#post=437025</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Muuki</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

looking at your hl team history

http://etf2l.org/teams/9124/

yeah, seems to be 8)</blockquote>
it isnt really tho, its just a community team to play the season for funzies anyways
tho I played for a proper highlander team lol]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2013 19:09:06 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by LimputtaJa</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24639/page-2/?recent=437025#post=437019</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[oooo shiiiiit]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2013 18:44:12 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Moogi</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24639/page-2/?recent=437025#post=437016</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from rytis</i>
		<blockquote>[...]
its not like highlander is hard</blockquote>

looking at your hl team history

http://etf2l.org/teams/9124/

yeah, seems to be 8)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2013 18:35:47 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Rychius</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24639/page-2/?recent=437025#post=437012</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Muuki</i>
		<blockquote>it's not like people are that honest about their skill level in 9v9 rec posts at all

ever</blockquote>
its not like highlander is hard]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2013 18:05:42 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Spike Himself</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24639/page-2/?recent=437025#post=437011</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from easyGame</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

So why not let him try?</blockquote>

Never said that. Just like anyone else, he's free to send an email to staff@etf2l.org and apply.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2013 18:04:40 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by easyGame</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24639/page-2/?recent=437025#post=437009</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Spike Himself</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Hah, sorry skyride, but it <em>really</em> isn't that simple. You can be a hero in the community all you want, and I know you know your stuff when it comes to programming, but you do not know the etf2l code and you cannot possibly judge this.

If you were to receive the plugin in a zip file, the only thing you're going to manage in the first 20 minutes is develop a headache. You're not even going to find the code that needs changing/replacing.</blockquote>

So why not let him try?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2013 17:45:29 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Juniorsatan</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24639/page-2/?recent=437025#post=437002</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Skyride</i>
		<blockquote>It actually is that simple. Send that plugin to me in a zip file and I'll make that change in &#60;20mins.</blockquote>

lmao]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2013 16:51:06 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Spike Himself</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24639/page-2/?recent=437025#post=436999</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Skyride</i>
		<blockquote>It actually is that simple. Send that plugin to me in a zip file and I'll make that change in &#60;20mins.</blockquote>

Hah, sorry skyride, but it <em>really</em> isn't that simple. You can be a hero in the community all you want, and I know you know your stuff when it comes to programming, but you do not know the etf2l code and you cannot possibly judge this.

If you were to receive the plugin in a zip file, the only thing you're going to manage in the first 20 minutes is develop a headache. You're not even going to find the code that needs changing/replacing.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2013 16:23:39 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by waebi</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24639/page-2/?recent=437025#post=436995</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Skyride</i>
		<blockquote>It actually is that simple. Send that plugin to me in a zip file and I'll make that change in &#60;20mins.</blockquote>

I'll eat a hat if that actually happens]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2013 16:07:31 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Moogi</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24639/page-2/?recent=437025#post=436994</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[it's not like people are that honest about their skill level in 9v9 rec posts at all

ever]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2013 16:01:04 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by adam-skyride</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24639/page-2/?recent=437025#post=436991</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[It actually is that simple. Send that plugin to me in a zip file and I'll make that change in &#60;20mins.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2013 15:43:39 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by emb</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24639/page-1/?recent=437025#post=436990</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from quintosh</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

yes but according to their most common excuse there's more important stuff on etf2l's todo list

</blockquote>

The Recruitment section cannot be extended without a complete rewrite. It's not a matter of "just adding a checkbox".

 I'm happy to say that this rewrite is pretty high on our priority list, though. It's just a pretty mean amount of work to do in one's free time.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2013 15:17:33 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Black_Bob</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24639/page-1/?recent=437025#post=436989</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from rviens</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

For new players, sure, you can consider writing down your game time, etc. but how come 6v6 new players don't have that problem? Every time I check a division 6 post I can see information clearly listed. For example listing things that actually matter in the game, like how often can the person play, is the person open to criticism and listing your experience (doesn't matter how little of it) in 6v6, like lobbies and so on. Why can't the highlander players just list the same things? There are plenty of highlander lobbies, pugs (well, not plenty) where you can test your skills as a certain class and ask for people's opinions. 
</blockquote>


There has been 14 seasons of 6 vs 6 and the skill levels are very clearly defined now, there has only been 3 seasons of etf2l highlander over a very long spread out period of time. 

There are also two very separate communities competing in the same league in highlander, there are the grass root highlander teams who only play 9 vs 9 every evening in a small pool of teams and players who have established their own view of skill levels, there is also etf2l's home grown 6 vs 6 players who are having a go at highlander and assume their div should just carry across to highlander.

Until highlander establishes itself and gets played more by a wider base of players only then will the skill levels stabilize and people will be able to make accurate recruitment posts. But until then there will still be people taking wild guess as to what skill level they are, look at ugc http://www.ugcleague.com/rankings_tf2h_all.cfm and you will see how even with massive groups it is very hard to separate skill levels except for a few at the top and bottom of each group.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2013 15:14:20 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by quintosh</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24639/page-1/?recent=437025#post=436972</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from SorroW</i>
		<blockquote>a bit off-topic maybe, but ETF2L should have a seperate section for highlander recruitment and 6v6 recruitment, or at least put a filter for 6v6/9v9</blockquote>

yes but according to their most common excuse there's more important stuff on etf2l's todo list

<i>Quoted from rviens</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

What made him THINK that he is capable of playing that level, though? Was it his experience as a pyro in division3 or was it that he played a lot of hours of the game. 

</blockquote>

the fact that he merced for/against prem teams]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2013 13:59:21 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by rviens</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24639/page-1/?recent=437025#post=436965</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Spike Himself</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

I think the part of that recruitment that needs fixing more so than listing one's amount of hours played is the sudden jump from Div 3 to Prem.</blockquote>

What made him THINK that he is capable of playing that level, though? Was it his experience as a pyro in division3 or was it that he played a lot of hours of the game. 

For new players, sure, you can consider writing down your game time, etc. but how come 6v6 new players don't have that problem? Every time I check a division 6 post I can see information clearly listed. For example listing things that actually matter in the game, like how often can the person play, is the person open to criticism and listing your experience (doesn't matter how little of it) in 6v6, like lobbies and so on. Why can't the highlander players just list the same things? There are plenty of highlander lobbies, pugs (well, not plenty) where you can test your skills as a certain class and ask for people's opinions. 

My point is, that just because you played the game for a long time doesn't mean you are good at it. That's like counter-strike, if I were to count all the hours I played non-steam counter-strike in internet cafes and when I was younger, I would be considered a professional. How long you have played is not a factor into which a forming team should look into, when searching for a gamer.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2013 13:24:50 +0100</pubDate>
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