ETF2L – Latest activity in “Spy is the best class”

ETF2L – Latest activity in “Spy is the best class” https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24495/ Reply by Selektionsfaktor https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24495/page-2/?recent=435101#post=435101 Quoted from Casual

[...] The problem is that in theory both enemy position AND orientation should be lag compensated meaning the server should perform the attack as it shows on your screen (with some minor inaccuracies). What stabby's video shows should happen when lag compensation is disabled, not when it's enabled. I doubt that this is intentional from Valve's side.

You are making fair points.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=24495&post=435101 Mon, 25 Feb 2013 00:14:24 +0100 Reply by inso2stronk https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24495/page-2/?recent=435101#post=435055 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=24495&post=435055 Sun, 24 Feb 2013 15:34:01 +0100 Reply by CursedGhost https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24495/page-2/?recent=435101#post=434979 Quoted from Selek

Thankfully, stabby stabby made a quite insightful video about the backstab mechanics not too long ago. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO1hbjr-QGM Except for a rare occasion, there is no such thing as "facestab". The mechanics are wonky and seem wrong at times due to lag compensation, but they work.

The problem is that in theory both enemy position AND orientation should be lag compensated meaning the server should perform the attack as it shows on your screen (with some minor inaccuracies). What stabby's video shows should happen when lag compensation is disabled, not when it's enabled. I doubt that this is intentional from Valve's side.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=24495&post=434979 Sat, 23 Feb 2013 19:55:37 +0100 Reply by Selektionsfaktor https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24495/page-2/?recent=435101#post=434975 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=24495&post=434975 Sat, 23 Feb 2013 19:20:05 +0100 Reply by Mould https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24495/page-2/?recent=435101#post=434965 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=24495&post=434965 Sat, 23 Feb 2013 16:45:56 +0100 Reply by Pasta https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24495/page-2/?recent=435101#post=434954 Quoted from Selek

Thankfully, stabby stabby made a quite insightful video about the backstab mechanics not too long ago. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO1hbjr-QGM Except for a rare occasion, there is no such thing as "facestab". The mechanics are wonky and seem wrong at times due to lag compensation, but they work.

/broken]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=24495&post=434954 Sat, 23 Feb 2013 16:06:00 +0100 Reply by Selektionsfaktor https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24495/page-2/?recent=435101#post=434795 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=24495&post=434795 Fri, 22 Feb 2013 12:12:28 +0100 Reply by freshmeatt https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24495/page-1/?recent=435101#post=434783 Quoted from Spike Himself

[...] tbh the way this works is pretty fucking clever from a programming/design perspective

50k lines of code not working properly or 300k lines of code that does its job properly - you choose. Or maybe it's not that simple?]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=24495&post=434783 Fri, 22 Feb 2013 11:02:47 +0100 Reply by SilverAura https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24495/page-1/?recent=435101#post=434776 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=24495&post=434776 Fri, 22 Feb 2013 08:11:34 +0100 Reply by Spike Himself https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24495/page-1/?recent=435101#post=434772 Quoted from Kvux

[...] Well fuck me, that is proper retarded.. I see what You mean about the engineer turning to his side and everything, but now I'm just asking myself the question; Valve really couldn't find a better way for melee to work? I mean that shit right there is just blatantly broken?

tbh the way this works is pretty fucking clever from a programming/design perspective]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=24495&post=434772 Fri, 22 Feb 2013 05:38:19 +0100 Reply by Snowdream https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24495/page-1/?recent=435101#post=434771 Quoted from Kvux

[...] Well fuck me, that is proper retarded.. I see what You mean about the engineer turning to his side and everything, but now I'm just asking myself the question; Valve really couldn't find a better way for melee to work? I mean that shit right there is just blatantly broken?

You'd rather wait for the server to confirm the hit before anything happens at all, causing horrible lag on all your melee swing registration? Unless everyone has 0 or extremely low ping, there isn't an easy way to do it.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=24495&post=434771 Fri, 22 Feb 2013 04:01:00 +0100 Reply by Pasta https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24495/page-1/?recent=435101#post=434766 Quoted from Casual

[...] Melee attacks are traced with a cube 'hull' and checked for intersections with other player hulls (melee does not care for hitboxes). game/shared/tf/tf_weaponbase_melee.cpp These hulls are axis aligned (so at a 45° angle your melee range is 'longer'). He attacks, prediction error occurs on the client (hits the wall). Server registers as a hit to the engineer. A few ms before that the engineer turned to the left. All conditions for a backstab are now fulfilled. These things happen...

Well fuck me, that is proper retarded.. I see what You mean about the engineer turning to his side and everything, but now I'm just asking myself the question; Valve really couldn't find a better way for melee to work? I mean that shit right there is just blatantly broken?]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=24495&post=434766 Fri, 22 Feb 2013 03:31:22 +0100 Reply by CursedGhost https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24495/page-1/?recent=435101#post=434763 Quoted from Tuto

[...] Thanks captain, now you can fly away

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEjUAnPc2VA&hd=1]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=24495&post=434763 Fri, 22 Feb 2013 02:00:09 +0100 Reply by Tuto https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24495/page-1/?recent=435101#post=434761 Quoted from Casual

[...] Melee attacks are traced with a cube 'hull' and checked for intersections with other player hulls (melee does not care for hitboxes). game/shared/tf/tf_weaponbase_melee.cpp These hulls are axis aligned (so at a 45° angle your melee range is 'longer'). He attacks, prediction error occurs on the client (hits the wall). Server registers as a hit to the engineer. A few ms before that the engineer turned to the left. All conditions for a backstab are now fulfilled. These things happen...

Thanks captain, now you can fly away]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=24495&post=434761 Fri, 22 Feb 2013 01:46:37 +0100 Reply by CursedGhost https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24495/page-1/?recent=435101#post=434760 Quoted from Kvux

[...] I don't see how that in any way could've been a backstab, server being slighty delayed or not.. Spy has been fucked for a long time IMO

Melee attacks are traced with a cube 'hull' and checked for intersections with other player hulls (melee does not care for hitboxes). game/shared/tf/tf_weaponbase_melee.cpp These hulls are axis aligned (so at a 45° angle your melee range is 'longer'). He attacks, prediction error occurs on the client (hits the wall). Server registers as a hit to the engineer. A few ms before that the engineer turned to the left. All conditions for a backstab are now fulfilled. These things happen...]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=24495&post=434760 Fri, 22 Feb 2013 01:40:46 +0100