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    	    <title>Reply by Lucky_Pierre</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24444/page-2/?recent=434206#post=434206</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[double post because I suck donkey balls.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 13:24:56 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Lucky_Pierre</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24444/page-2/?recent=434206#post=434205</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Newbie Mixes are probably the best option.


I'd also suggest trying some higher skilled pubs (I don't know where you play at the moment), find servers that belong to gaming organisations, Blackout, Lethal Zone etc. they are often populated with players of greater skill/experience than Valve, Skial etc. etc.  Sure it isn't the comp experience, but it is a nice way to find out where your basic skills are in relation to other players who maybe have comp experience.


but yeah,.. mixes, find friends, make team, div 6, lose, lose, lose, get better, win, lose, win, get better, win, win, win div 5 -&#62; Prem :D]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 13:24:02 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by fraac</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24444/page-1/?recent=434206#post=434170</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[In the same way that new players have MGE and stuff now, there are now much better places than lobbies for new players to start. Two newbie mix groups to start with, and then tf2pickup when you're ready for the next level.

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/nlpg
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/6v6newmix
http://www.tf2pickup.net/]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 01:31:07 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Kaneco</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from quintosh</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Lobbies are definitely the least user-friendly. don't go there.</blockquote>

Actually I can highly recommend lobbies to people just starting comp tf2, sure it's not the most correct practice, but you don't reach prem by starting on div1, you build your way up from the scratch, and lobbies helped do that for me, I needed to get some real practice and experience in 6vs6 after watching a few games casted, and it's much more intuitive if you really do it than if you watch.

Of course no comms and a lot of ragers / bad players are a downside but there are also many good people there, willing to help  and/or learn.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 21:37:58 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by dodgydogman</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24444/page-1/?recent=434206#post=434066</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Play some lobbies at tf2 http://www.tf2lobby.com/ or make a division 6 recruitment post.

Download a voip program called Mumble, its the program most people use to communicate, this wont be used for lobbies but your team and any mix games you play will use it. Mixes are simply 6v6 matches where the majority of your team are players not actually part of your etf2l team.

Try and focus on being in the right place at the right time at the start. The more you stay alive, the more time you have to understand the flow of 6v6 and people prefer an alive new player to a dead one.

If you dont know what to do just follow your scout partner. If your scout partner dies, retreat or follow your demo man.

Talk on mic, tell people you are new and that you want as much advice as you can get.

After some 6v6 lobbies or mixes think about creating a division 6 etf2l post, look at other posts for an idea how to structure it, mention that you are looking to join a very new team to learn the ropes.

Have fun and stay positive, add me if you want advice :D. All it takes is joining a team or adding some people and asking to mix with them to break into the scene.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 14:52:33 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Dukermons</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24444/page-1/?recent=434206#post=434061</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Let's be 100% honest here, tf2lobby can give you some great games with and against some great people it's just more often than not you get no comms and some little pre-pubescent rage nerd giving everyone grief.

1 thing I've noticed in my nearly 900 lobbies is that if you make the first move and actually communicate a little then normally a lot of your team will then join in, just seems everyone is shy on tf2lobby.

Don't be afraid of lobby, I've had some really awesome matches there, as well as many bad ones, but it can still help you out with learning the basics.

Add me if you want to come spectate a few of our games with comms so you can get a head start on how this beautiful game works in 6v6.

Good luck and have fun, maybe speak to you a bit later, we're pcw'ing tonight so come have a watch and listen.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 14:10:17 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Russian Guyovich</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Tuto</i>
		<blockquote>[...]
Even though you will get good practice there.</blockquote>

Practice? I guess.

Good practice? Absolutely not. 

Join the Newbie Mix or NLPG groups instead if you're new and keen.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 14:06:39 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Tuto</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24444/page-1/?recent=434206#post=434057</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from quintosh</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Lobbies are definitely the least user-friendly. don't go there.</blockquote>
Even though you will get good practice there.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 13:37:02 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by quintosh</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24444/page-1/?recent=434206#post=434046</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Kaneco</i>
		<blockquote>Hello,

If you already know how the comp game works, then you could play lobbies (it's the most user friendly) to practice, altought it isn't the complete comp experience since there're no comms. Or play pickups  or mixes.</blockquote>

Lobbies are definitely the least user-friendly. don't go there.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 11:53:44 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Animal</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[tf2pickup.net

play a class you know the best, tell them you are new and if you dont get dicks on your team they will possibly even give u tips how to play... if not then you just try to get experience and learn comms]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 23:00:43 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by mucimuci</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24444/page-1/?recent=434206#post=433986</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[http://steamcommunity.com/groups/6v6newmix
join newbie mixes and start playing, try out some dm servers
tf2pickup.net if you feel you've outgrown them, i dont recommend lobby cause its shit]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 22:58:39 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by kKaltUu</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24444/page-1/?recent=434206#post=433982</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Welcome to comp TF2! make sure you read http://etf2l.org/new/ and realise that it's a dog-eat-dog world!]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 22:42:04 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Theoz</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[u top 3 on pub servers??? go fight svins in mge]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 22:04:45 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by fraac</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[You could come to my mix group: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/nlpg]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 21:50:03 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Kaneco</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Hello,

First off you should read the newcomer guide on the menu above.

There are somethings that you should  know.

So you say you're good on pubs, fair enought, but compared to the skill level in competitive tf2 it's a huge jump, but nothing  than you can't improve on. If you are looking to improve your skill, you should look into and play on MGE (training mod with custom map) servers, or deathmatch (dm) servers, they're great for practicing pure dm and aim if you feel you can improve.


Other thing is, metagame and the mechanics of the game on competitive (6vs6 or Highlander), you need to get a feel of how the game works in competitive, and for that I would recommmend watch some more casts of big premier div games or esea games.

If you already know how the comp game works, then you could play lobbies (it's the most user friendly) to practice, altought it isn't the complete comp experience since there're no comms. Or play pickups  or mixes.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 21:38:02 +0100</pubDate>
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