ETF2L – Latest activity in “Vanilltvs future?”

ETF2L – Latest activity in “Vanilltvs future?” https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24441/ Reply by Nucl34r https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24441/page-4/?recent=434158#post=434158 Quoted from Lucky_Pierre

Whereas vtv seems to keep going (by sheer force of will?).

PledgeTV seems to be going pretty strong. That guy is a hero, makes me look bad on my best days. I for one, have decided to take a break. Dont want to be involved with casting stuff for a while. I'm not an official member of vtv anymore, but i will not be joining tf.tv (or any other casting org for that matter). I will however be dropping by, from time to time do help out with video production or casts or other stuff that is being asked of me, provided that i have time. Though at the moment, i'm giving a large priority to work, personal life, and all that kinda stuff. I have not been doing anything for the past two months and a bit, and it would be unfair for me to pretend like I'm doing stuff. Dont expect me to do anything in any other game (Dota 2) either. I should still show up at i48 and i49 as vtv staff to do awesome stuff and have fun.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=24441&post=434158 Tue, 19 Feb 2013 00:04:25 +0100 Reply by Darn https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24441/page-4/?recent=434158#post=434157 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=24441&post=434157 Mon, 18 Feb 2013 23:59:26 +0100 Reply by byte https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24441/page-4/?recent=434158#post=434155 Quoted from Reservoir Dog

[...] People might understand this wrongly. :/

Aye edited slightly :P thanks for heads up Cheers Byte]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=24441&post=434155 Mon, 18 Feb 2013 23:26:52 +0100 Reply by Ond kaja https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24441/page-4/?recent=434158#post=434154 Quoted from byte

As long as I'm around VanillaTV is going no where.

I'm not sure you know how true this statement is.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=24441&post=434154 Mon, 18 Feb 2013 23:25:31 +0100 Reply by reservoir_dog https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24441/page-4/?recent=434158#post=434153 Quoted from byte

As long as I'm around VanillaTV is going no where.

People might understand this wrongly. :/]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=24441&post=434153 Mon, 18 Feb 2013 23:17:47 +0100 Reply by byte https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24441/page-4/?recent=434158#post=434149 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=24441&post=434149 Mon, 18 Feb 2013 22:53:55 +0100 Reply by Kaneco https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24441/page-4/?recent=434158#post=434139 Quoted from Lucky_Pierre

This should be interesting... I find the production quality from vtv to be better than tf.tv but think both organisations produce good content for TF2.

Exactly, honestly I much prefer vanilla because of this, graphics on streams are much more user friendly and quite appealing, the custom spectator hud is the best I have ever seen, even the score table looks good. The first casts of comp tf2 I heard just a little over 1 year ago were by vanilla tv and I never forgot that. I really thought everything looked really great and in place, with really high quality content for the viewers Quoted from Lucky_Pierre

The day TF2 casts (both in terms of technology and quality of caster) are as exciting as Fighting Games you'll convert the casuals. Problem is the technology barrier (no instant replays, poor cameras, poor map overviews etc.) stop the casters becoming that good, hype and slick at the same time. Overcome one, you'll overcome the other, casuals will follow and so will sponsors. ... but thats the dream right?

We can dream, valve already launched a specific standalone version of dota for match spectators only, we can only dream of something in the works to be integrated in tf2, with custom replays, slow-mo's and the likes.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=24441&post=434139 Mon, 18 Feb 2013 21:32:58 +0100 Reply by Lucky_Pierre https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24441/page-4/?recent=434158#post=434093 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=24441&post=434093 Mon, 18 Feb 2013 17:17:00 +0100 Reply by Dukermons https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24441/page-4/?recent=434158#post=434070 Quoted from Skully

...still here, but I discovered what Dota2 is

FTFY :D]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=24441&post=434070 Mon, 18 Feb 2013 15:07:12 +0100 Reply by beta https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24441/page-4/?recent=434158#post=434039 Quoted from enigmaenigma

[...] I think you're tad jaded in this regard. A good chunk (if not most) of our viewers in North America either have a very loose association with the competitive scene or don't play competitively at all.

I wouldn't say it's jaded really, I imagine he was commenting on the Europe coverage scene. The chances are he will not be as familiar with the NA audience and visa versa, we wouldn't expect you to be fully aware of the Europe scene. If you have found the majority of your audience fit into the bracket above, great! I would highly recommend pushing that even more then you are already. The fundamental issue still exists of getting those players across to competitive TF2, which some people seem to of forgotten about and isn't an overnight flick of the switch.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=24441&post=434039 Mon, 18 Feb 2013 10:17:25 +0100 Reply by Hildreth https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24441/page-3/?recent=434158#post=434016 Quoted from djc

[...] nobody who I talked to about casting for tf.tv europe even knew about their massive and mighty payments when they agreed to cast, so I am reasonably sure that none of them particularly cares about whether or not they get $$$

I am very eager to cast SNSD destroying everyone in season 4 and get given the cash monies for it, sick of them getting all the money you know.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=24441&post=434016 Mon, 18 Feb 2013 01:51:02 +0100 Reply by fraac https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24441/page-3/?recent=434158#post=434009 could grow viewership rapidly. I can see why cbear and djc get angry at teams who don't see the big picture here, even if there's nothing in it for them right now. Talking of STAR_, that guy knows how to grow a viewership with regular, well-produced content, and no one should be above taking lessons from him. 10k average is totally plausible.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=24441&post=434009 Mon, 18 Feb 2013 01:08:29 +0100 Reply by enigmaenigma https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24441/page-3/?recent=434158#post=434008 Quoted from AcidReniX

And for the record, you're never going to get 10K viewers on average, because the competitive TF2 fan base, are the competitive players who are playing for their teams at exactly the same time as the games are being casted. Since competitive TF2 is nothing like public TF2 (completely restricted), public players have very little interest in watching a game, or even having a 'favorite team' like they do in other games.

I think you're tad jaded in this regard. A good chunk (if not most) of our viewers in North America either have a very loose association with the competitive scene or don't play competitively at all.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=24441&post=434008 Mon, 18 Feb 2013 00:57:20 +0100 Reply by AcidReniX https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24441/page-3/?recent=434158#post=434000 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=24441&post=434000 Mon, 18 Feb 2013 00:15:18 +0100 Reply by AcidReniX https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-24441/page-3/?recent=434158#post=433999 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=24441&post=433999 Mon, 18 Feb 2013 00:12:17 +0100