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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;Snipers on dm&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by Lucifer</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-23852/page-3/?recent=425342#post=425342</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I don't mind snipers on DM but when they die they 90% of the time start raging because they can't stand dying.

It's as if they don't expect to die..]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 20:38:57 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Trane</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-23852/page-3/?recent=425342#post=425339</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from minimoose</i>
		<blockquote>Complaining about soldiers being on high ground? Learn to deal with it, since it will be like that 90% of the time in matches. If someone wants to practice their high ground play, I say let them, it helps me practice the situations when I have a disadvantage, which is pretty useful. I wouldn't complain about scouts standing on granary boxes, it's a good place for a scout and something which I like to practice against.

If everyone just stood on the floor, dm would be boring and much less effective for training aim, movement and awareness.</blockquote>

I can't complain about soldiers utilising a height advantage, that would be ridiculous. I've played against you on dm minimoose, you don't don't do the same as the sollies that I am describing. They literally just stand on top of the crates walking back and forth shooting down, if someone jumps them, they wait til they land rather than going for the airshot, then spam feet. Honestly, this is not making them better, in any way, shape or form. You talk about replicating a game situation, if a solly is on crate on gran mid, as an example, I'm unlikely to even try and fight him 1vs1, rather wait for distraction or opportunity to arise (and of course just chip away at his health). Maybe sometime you'll play Gran mid on dm 5vs5, when your team has 3 scouts (inc you), a demo and a sniper, against 3 sollies a demo and a scout.

It's dm at the end of the day, use it to improve your deathmatching, I know standing on high the whole time and running away to get hp packs might reflect in-game play, but it's not improving your actual deathmatch. If camping height for the entirety was beneficial, why don't actual good soldiers who play dm (like yourself) do this the whole time? For the most part they seem to actually 'attack' me, use me as a free health pack :)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 20:15:53 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by raugnioz</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from minimoose</i>
		<blockquote>Complaining about soldiers being on high ground? Learn to deal with it, since it will be like that 90% of the time in matches. If someone wants to practice their high ground play, I say let them, it helps me practice the situations when I have a disadvantage, which is pretty useful. I wouldn't complain about scouts standing on granary boxes, it's a good place for a scout and something which I like to practice against.

If everyone just stood on the floor, dm would be boring and much less effective for training aim, movement and awareness.</blockquote>

I agree]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 19:54:47 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Minimoose</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-23852/page-3/?recent=425342#post=425325</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Complaining about soldiers being on high ground? Learn to deal with it, since it will be like that 90% of the time in matches. If someone wants to practice their high ground play, I say let them, it helps me practice the situations when I have a disadvantage, which is pretty useful. I wouldn't complain about scouts standing on granary boxes, it's a good place for a scout and something which I like to practice against.

If everyone just stood on the floor, dm would be boring and much less effective for training aim, movement and awareness.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 18:20:26 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Trane</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-23852/page-3/?recent=425342#post=425316</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[It's the mark of a smart person to misconstrue something.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:41:16 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by enzyme</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Trane</i>
		<blockquote>Oh man I couldn't agree more, the really bad sollies just stand on crates on process and gran, or roof when it comes to freight/snake, point on gullywash, it's bloody pathetic and so annoying. When actual good sollies play, they don't do it, shitters could learn something from that.</blockquote>
Yeah, it's a mark of a good soldier who spams up rockets from a height disadvantage]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:34:31 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Trane</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-23852/page-3/?recent=425342#post=425309</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from MoZz</i>
		<blockquote>I don't really get the point.
</blockquote>

Indeed you don't.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:21:28 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by MoZz</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-23852/page-2/?recent=425342#post=425300</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I don't really get the point.

You're supposed to play your class to it's maximum potential.

So, if you have the highest dps/surviviability standing on crates and spamming down, you will always do it in both 6v6 matches and DM. Nothing to get mad over really.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:57:24 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Pasta</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-23852/page-2/?recent=425342#post=425298</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[It's training of muscle memory, nothing more
If you dont want to get sniped in dm, dont play dm.. Play mge]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:55:00 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Trane</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-23852/page-2/?recent=425342#post=425289</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Rake</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Just because they're supposed to do something in matches hardly makes it the best behavior for dm, where you're mainly improving your aim and movement. Standing on a crate and shooting down improves neither, so whats the point? It's the same as a demoman practising stickytraps on dm or practising melee. It's pointless and makes playing dm redundant.</blockquote>

Oh man I couldn't agree more, the really bad sollies just stand on crates on process and gran, or roof when it comes to freight/snake, point on gullywash, it's bloody pathetic and so annoying. When actual good sollies play, they don't do it, shitters could learn something from that. It's the sole reason for my rage on dm.

Would love badlands only.

If sollies wanna cheese it they can piss off back to MGE and work on their 'rating'.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:41:26 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Rake</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-23852/page-2/?recent=425342#post=425287</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from MIndYe</i>
		<blockquote>[...]Soldiers on high ground? It's kind of what they're supposed to do in matches too. Altho spamming chokes/house is gay. Stop that. Flanking scouts are gay but atleast they're usually bad so you can still kill them ez.</blockquote>

Just because they're supposed to do something in matches hardly makes it the best behavior for dm, where you're mainly improving your aim and movement. Standing on a crate and shooting down improves neither, so whats the point? It's the same as a demoman practising stickytraps on dm or practising melee. It's pointless and makes playing dm redundant.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:32:09 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Specter91</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-23852/page-2/?recent=425342#post=425268</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[if you waste your concentration on QQ THE SOLLY SPAMS HOUSE QQ THE SNIPER ONLY HITS BODYSHOTS u wont gain anything from playing dm and practicing aim/movement

JUST DEAL WITH IT AND PLAY]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:07:13 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by lclent</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-23852/page-2/?recent=425342#post=425266</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[fuck dm and mge
play pub]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:05:51 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by MInd-</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Rake</i>
		<blockquote>Yes let's complain about things that have a solution.  Good going Internet.  Snipers aren't nearly as annoying as soldiers camping on high ground or scouts who only flank.</blockquote>Soldiers on high ground? It's kind of what they're supposed to do in matches too. Altho spamming chokes/house is gay. Stop that. Flanking scouts are gay but atleast they're usually bad so you can still kill them ez.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 15:59:27 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Artyhin</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Setlet</i>
		<blockquote>After banning sniper you guys should consider having only Badlands.

No really, the other maps are BAD.</blockquote>
this]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 15:07:32 +0100</pubDate>
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