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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;Jumping over the trains in Well&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by Wlv</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-23/page-2/?recent=202#post=202</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[What moose said! Should be fine for sols/demo's as they have the ability to do so without using map exploits, where-as the scouts can only do it if you are on the Red side.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:36:08 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Xzar</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-23/page-1/?recent=202#post=190</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[imo it should be so that you can jump on the train, but not land on the other side before the setup ends. 

won't start crying tho if everyone agrees that anything goes.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 13:57:31 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by eexee</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-23/page-1/?recent=202#post=189</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[You can jump over the train from both sides. On the blue side it's just "a bit harder" :) Still, I think socuts shouldnt be allowed go to the other side when in setup although shouldnt soucts be allowed to above the train?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:38:04 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Bas1c</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-23/page-1/?recent=202#post=188</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[moose is right]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 10:48:59 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Epothon</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-23/page-1/?recent=202#post=132</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Tbh .. jumping over the train is risking getting killed - so doing it is at own risk.
Calling it unsportsmanship behaviour is a bit of a heavy statement, since both teams can do it.

Red scouts shouldnt be allowed to jump over since there is a map unbalance in that way. - as moose said -]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:42:04 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by k70</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-23/page-1/?recent=202#post=124</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Not much to say here since Mose summed it up already. Just don't spoil the game with imposed behavior when unnecessary and call it sportsmanship. You don't want to go that way.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:00:19 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by lezek</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-23/page-1/?recent=202#post=123</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I agree with jaydee.

Jumping over before setup time is over to me is lame and lack of sportsmanship.
Even thought valve didnt include the wall there is probably becuase u should be able to rj over it once setuptime is over.

For me the setuptime is a time to setup not a time to have soldiers rocket duelling and a demo going sticktastic on the oponents door. 

So I am against it.. Not ok to shoot through the gap either imo.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:20:36 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by jaydee</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-23/page-1/?recent=202#post=122</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Can't say I'm a great fan of it. Shooting over the barrier before setup ends seems a little lame to me. To me, I don't think Valve purposely left the ability to rj up on the barrier before setup ends in, rather they just didn't think about it (Gates being shut up in prematch being the priority).]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:40:40 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by LD</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-23/page-1/?recent=202#post=121</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I agree with moose, scouts shouldnt be allowed simply because it give red team a big advantage. Soldiers and demomans however should feel free to do pipe-/rjump over]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:30:50 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Mick is Cursed</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-23/page-1/?recent=202#post=120</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[i totally agree with Moose.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 03:06:33 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Moose</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-23/page-1/?recent=202#post=119</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Should be allowed for solds and demos. In my opinion scouts should not go above the trains since afaik you can only reach them from red's side when playing scout.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:58:44 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by H-Man</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-23/page-1/?recent=202#post=117</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I don't think we can find a rule on this matter.
According to your proposal, a soldier would be allowed to rocket jump straight in the air, fire a rocket at the enemy team, rinse, repeat - while the opposing soldier isn not allowed to jump on the wagon.
Nah... let Valve change it to an invisble wall, or rather leave it as it is]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:52:03 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Spankstarr</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-23/page-1/?recent=202#post=116</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[yah valid points. I know allmost everyone does it but that doesnt make it right :).
where to draw the line? Dont jump onto/over the carts prior to round start, everything else goes.
But hey, if you cant beat em' join em']]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:40:29 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by H-Man</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-23/page-1/?recent=202#post=114</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Ack to Anim.
Can do it, (almost) everyone does it.

If the league was to disallow it, where is the line? May you still shoot through the gap between waggon and building? When are you allowed to jump on the wagon, if you want to get to the other side?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:48:54 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Anim</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-23/page-1/?recent=202#post=113</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[fairly standard thing that everyone does, if you werent meant to do it there'd be a huge invisible wall in the way?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:40:15 +0100</pubDate>
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