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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;Achievements Farmers&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by DeNeusbeer</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-2193/page-3/?recent=26958#post=26958</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I'm gonna lock this here topic now, cause it will be going nowhere.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 12:08:16 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by mac</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-2193/page-2/?recent=26958#post=26956</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Kind of queer imo. 

Let the noobs get them the hard way, and let the competitive players farm them.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 12:03:22 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Agron</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-2193/page-2/?recent=26958#post=26955</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[LOL

TAKE BACK TEAM FORTRESS NAO. 

just lol]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:54:43 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Iller</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-2193/page-2/?recent=26958#post=26954</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[msleeper :
Most people will never get the achivements in a "natural" way even if they dont use a farming program or do the achivements with some friends. 
Most people are interested in getting the new unlockables. They will look at their achievement list and see what they have to do and then enter a pub server and start to play really stupid just to get the achivements. That is why we see most servers full of scouts that don't care at all if their team is winning or not.
A successful team should not consist of 90% scouts. Their desire to get the achivements in a so called "natural" way is what destroys the game, not the farming on a private server.
On the contrary, if people are farming in a private server they don't have to play like idiots on public.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:47:10 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by regginchan</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-2193/page-2/?recent=26958#post=26951</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[oh man this is gold]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:39:09 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Shabbaman</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-2193/page-2/?recent=26958#post=26950</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Dishonest? Players actively pursuing moronic achievements like Consultation are ruining everyones gameplay. If you try that crap on a normal server you should be banned for life. I doubt Valve wants to encourage moronic gameplay, I can't imagine these achievements are to be taken seriously.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:39:07 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by tarmo-</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-2193/page-2/?recent=26958#post=26949</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[maybe its "dishonest" but hey, they earned them still by doing the achievements! ;)

why do you want to ban the people even when they have earned them?

how it does change your life if they get banned?
how it does change your life if they stay unbanned?

it doesnt (maybe less players on servers). why to bother then......?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:33:19 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Shad</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-2193/page-2/?recent=26958#post=26948</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Ban me. I don't play on FFA servers. Achievements are for casual players. We just want our fckin new cheated weapons !]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:31:23 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by msleeper</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-2193/page-2/?recent=26958#post=26945</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[tarmo - I care because it's dishonest. You don't agree, and that's fine. This is a subject that nobody is going to change their mind about, you either think farming is wrong or you don't. I'm not jealous of anyone who farms, I would rather have earned my unlockables the real way and take 1 month to do it than get them by farming in 1 hour.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:30:02 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by tarmo-</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-2193/page-2/?recent=26958#post=26941</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[who the fuck cares if people farm the achievements (to get the items, nothing else), its their choice. its just that THEY REALLY FARM THEM and not using some !giveall (or something?) command to get them or use program.

thats just my opinion.

why do you even care about the situation that some people farm for 1 hour to get the items. there are people who thinks that public servers are the most fucking irritating thing in the world and wont play on them often. why do you want to ban these farmers if i may ask? you are jealous of the situation that they have the items and you dont? get over it. farm them yourself.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:26:10 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by paixhaine</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-2193/page-2/?recent=26958#post=26939</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[msleeper : you sir, are a total fail]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:24:41 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Serialloser</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-2193/page-2/?recent=26958#post=26937</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Valve need to make all weapons available when playing with mp_tournament 1 that's all.

And rather than going on a public server to do my achievement, i prefer creating a local server, ask a friend to join me and add bots.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:22:36 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Puppets</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-2193/page-2/?recent=26958#post=26935</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[o wait ... thats why i only use private servers to farm my achievments ... i just want the new weapons ... i dont care about the achievments and if valve will keep linking the achievments to the weapons i will always farm them .... BUT NOT ON YOUR SERVER ( it still took me 1 hour so its no cheating btw ... ive done them all)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:20:51 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by msleeper</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-2193/page-2/?recent=26958#post=26932</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[RaCio - Then don't run my plugin. You don't have to, nobody is demanding that you run my plugin nor enforce my banlist. You don't believe the same thing I do - and that's fine. You are entitled to your opinion.

Jason - I do not run a competitve community nor do I play any game competitively so I can't exactly speak for or against farming to stay "competitive". Of every argument I have heard on the matter, that one is the only pro-farming one that makes any sort of sense.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:13:11 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by jason</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-2193/page-2/?recent=26958#post=26930</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA["Why do people need to farm at all?"
Because the weapon unlocks are tied to the achievements.

This community is competitive therefore in order to be competitive unlockable weapons need to be unlocked asap.

Have any of the scouts who play in ETF2L decided to be squeaky clean and get all the weapons "naturally"?

Valve need to separate the weapon unlocks and the achievements completely then you won't need farm maps and people might actually not farm them.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:12:06 +0100</pubDate>
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