[...] iirc i read somewhere that the "old" donation button led to some inactive guys paypal / Current Head Admins w/e couldnt access it?

ESEA has a anti cheat client? There is no way it can be as bad as ESL's Wire. If it is, then I can't understand how Americans can play TF2 happily.

Nice post admirable, luckily you do also point out that etf2l has no money, after stating how they dont spend enough money :) They had a donation button on the website a while ago. It was removed because nobody used it anyway. Anyway, as pointed out, nothing is going to change until someone steps up to actually change something.

[...] Motherfuckers can't see the wood for the trees?! You speak of decline and point to unlocks because NA has them and we don't. I'll tell you what else NA has that we don't; a motherfucking professional organisation supporting them - ESEA. We have the ETF2-fucking-L twiddling their dicks for the past X years, keeping things ticking over with headsets and mice but no progress what so ever to speak of. ESEA are hosting LAN finals 3 times a year with a dedicated news source in ESEANews, brilliant features such automatic stats and demo uploads and a rule set that doesn't promote turtling (sup timelimit 30). We had a chance to support a serious organisation ESL, but we all fucking cried our eyes about the Wire client without really trying to help iron out teething problems. Well guess what? ESEA has a shitty client too, and they fucking pay for the privilege to use it! Add to that a well run, motivated and professional casting outlet in eXtelevision and a thriving community of streamers and I have to strain to see exactly what the fuck an Escape Plan is going to do to turn the tides of EU TF2s perceived decline. Jesus fucking Christ lads, wake up and smell the coffee. I have no beef with ETF2L or their admins who spend countless hours making shit happen for no money, but I am just trying to give some motherfucking perspective to this "debate".

[...] But fucking something, anything. A plan of action, cos otherwise it will be forgotten in days. Can we talk about this? Can we get the message out? Just, something.

[...] It's a step to changing the mindsets of people regarding the current situation of ETF2L. If you think anything can be changed just by taking a sudden, urgent action of some sort. without any actual long-term consequences, then let me tell you we're just going to end up doing what we always do several weeks later.

[...] So is anything going to come of this nice little rant or... We going to do what we always do?

[...] Motherfuckers can't see the wood for the trees?! You speak of decline and point to unlocks because NA has them and we don't. I'll tell you what else NA has that we don't; a motherfucking professional organisation supporting them - ESEA. We have the ETF2-fucking-L twiddling their dicks for the past X years, keeping things ticking over with headsets and mice but no progress what so ever to speak of. ESEA are hosting LAN finals 3 times a year with a dedicated news source in ESEANews, brilliant features such automatic stats and demo uploads and a rule set that doesn't promote turtling (sup timelimit 30). We had a chance to support a serious organisation ESL, but we all fucking cried our eyes about the Wire client without really trying to help iron out teething problems. Well guess what? ESEA has a shitty client too, and they fucking pay for the privilege to use it! Add to that a well run, motivated and professional casting outlet in eXtelevision and a thriving community of streamers and I have to strain to see exactly what the fuck an Escape Plan is going to do to turn the tides of EU TF2s perceived decline. Jesus fucking Christ lads, wake up and smell the coffee. I have no beef with ETF2L or their admins who spend countless hours making shit happen for no money, but I am just trying to give some motherfucking perspective to this "debate".

So what do we do?