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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;Looking to be Sponsored&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by GFMTrell</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-20967/page-3/?recent=377915#post=377915</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Nice post Enef, props for taking the time to write and format.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:43:39 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by slate</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-20967/page-3/?recent=377915#post=376899</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[everyone saying that a team of (min) 6 people can't afford a server -for whatever reason- is full of bullshit.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2012 14:02:16 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Brainmaster</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[We started at div5 and found a sponsor that would gave us a free server / mumble. They even paid a hiperz server for 40 euros when we were like div4-5. Now I've switched teams as we dropped and I'm in Dynamic and my sponsors followed me also. Even though they are not having a main sponsor atm.

All I want to say is, when you are lucky, you can get a good sponsordeal without being at the top. But if you are div 3- 6, you only really need a server and mumble rigth? 

Brainmaster

ps: Go check them out at www.divi5ion.org :)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2012 13:27:37 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Cunlico</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Spike Himself</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

I sponsor teams so that I can have friends in mumble.

True story.

Seriously; I pay for everything myself, and there is no income. Not even a nomination in the people's choice thingy.</blockquote>
+1.
You definitively deserve my vote in the people's choice thing!

Enef, you're argument is good but you dont keep in mind that most team in TF2 that have a sponsor/want to be sponsored because they cant/wanna buy a server on their own (students?) and because they want to know new people to play with.
Obvsly if they are high div they also look for all the things you rightly listed.

And if eSports teams do it only to have results, community do it only to have their pub server be known and full and to have more people to play with in fun.


When i was in pMp (div 5d) we just wanted someone who could pay a server for us because we were all 17 so we could'nt afford to do that on our own. We didn't demand nothing else obvsly although pMp is a top team in Italy (but we knew one of the manager, lol).


So the fact is: yes, they can still be sponsored because they are keen and cant give results in high div. They even don't need a server as they said so why they should find a community?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2012 11:54:16 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Lasttear</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-20967/page-3/?recent=377915#post=376478</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[We don't even need a server. We have one. We just want to be part of a community :)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2012 04:29:11 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Enef</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-20967/page-3/?recent=377915#post=376472</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Admirable</i>
		<blockquote>I find Enefs list vastly optimistic.
Drop it back about 3 divisions for the truth.</blockquote>

agreed, in an ideal world where our shitty cartoon shooter could hit stream numbers per player that LoL and SC2 do then my list would be closer to correct. I edited my post to bold the part where i point out tthat the list is there specifically as things <strong>think</strong> teams should be able to get.

Also Trath, it seems like you're being condescending but still thanks for the words, i spent a great deal of my short time in an org talking with the owner about esports and trying to learn about the business side of things.

Angel: i've always been very impressed with the amount of time, money and effort you put into the game, you spend your money on eSports because of your love for the game and thats very admirable. Most major orgs in games know they will never make their money back but teams and players often don't realise this.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2012 02:44:57 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by tramsig</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Most orgs/sponsors wants to be seen, A LOT, the results is secondary if you dont participate in as many leagues and cups as possible.

Sponsors wants money back, you are the sponsors billboard, to sell their product you must be as visible as possible.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2012 02:35:12 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Admirable</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[I find Enefs list vastly optimistic.
Drop it back about 3 divisions for the truth.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2012 01:06:37 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by adam-skyride</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-20967/page-2/?recent=377915#post=376428</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Servers are pretty cheap these days. Stop being a scrounging git.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2012 01:03:39 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by trath</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-20967/page-2/?recent=377915#post=376405</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Spike Himself</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

I sponsor teams so that I can have friends in mumble.

True story.

Seriously; I pay for everything myself, and there is no income. Not even a nomination in the people's choice thingy.</blockquote>

Well as you can see I started the Tarkus 2012 bangwagon thats all over the current nomination. Unfortunately , you cannot stop a wave while it is at its peak. But I gotta say, I never thought of it this way untill you wrote it. 
Props to you for paying the rent and holding up your own circle of teams. 

( one of the few serious posts I've done latley, but I really do mean it :) )]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2012 00:25:42 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by trath</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-20967/page-2/?recent=377915#post=376401</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Enef</i>
		<blockquote>Sponsors are expected to do many things: Tf2 server, Mumble server, T-shirts, Lan Support, Equipment support.

Teams are expected to do in return: Wear their avatars, wear their tags, post on their websites both Articles and Comments(Mandatory), post on their forums, WIN THINGS.

Lower divisions can't really expect much in return for sponsorship because they can't give much back, a div5 team can't really expect T-shirt and Lan support because what does the Organisation get back from it? Nothing. You'll be hard pushed with a PROPER organisation (and not just a community) to even get a free server as any CEO of a company with sense will not throw money away, even for free advertisement (via tags and avatars) as this doesn't see any kind of return on his money. The higher up the divisions you climb the more you should expect from your sponsors and the more you can start to ask for. 

Here's what i think you, as a team, technically have the RIGHT to ask for based on your division and if you perform EXTREMELY WELL:

Division 6: Mumble/(maybe)Server
Division 5: Mumble/(maybe)Server
Division 4: Mumble/Server/(Maybe)T-shirts at lan
Division 3: Mumble/Server/Lan Shirts/(Maybe)Review Equipment from sponsors
Division 2: Mumble/Server/Lan Shirts/Review Equipment/(Maybe)Lan Support at Local Lans(Likely to win)
Division 1: Mumble/Server/Lan Shirts/Review Equipment/(maybe)Headsets and Mice from Sponsors/Lan Support at Local Lans/(maybe)Lan Support at Big Lans
Premiership: Mumble/Server/Lan Shirts, Hoodies, Hats/Review Equipment/Headsets, Mice, Mousemats and Keyboards from Sponsors/ Lan Support for All Lans/Stream Capable System.


As you can see, the higher you rise the more you can ask for but unless you are getting results you shouldn't EXPECT anything, why would any organisation throw money at anyone unless they had results to show for it?

Running an organisation in e-sports is NEVER going to make you money, not now, not anytime soon in the future. If you speak to the CEO of any of these organisations they'll tell you as much. You need to stop thinking "WHAT CAN THIS ORG DO FOR ME!?" because the answer is VERY LITTLE unless you give them something first.

So think it through properly, do you think you can give your organisation and sponsors a REASON to give you things? Can you handle the pressure of constantly being expected to perform to a high standard and being questioned constantly as to why you aren't, if you start losing?

Hope this helped some people who don't have any experience with sponsorships and organisations.</blockquote>

Finally sombody puts in a little effort to write about something that so many people get wrong. Thanks a lot Enef, you sure helped me out! I was not sure EXACTLY what I can demand. Given my ETF2L history, it seems I WILL be able to get those T-Shirts that I wanted. ( yay! )

Keep up the good work. You are truly a man of unlimited wisdom.

Trathed]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2012 00:22:52 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Severyo</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Spike Himself</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

I sponsor teams so that I can have friends in mumble.

True story.

Seriously; I pay for everything myself, and there is no income. Not even a nomination in the people's choice thingy.</blockquote>

I've heard rumours that you force people to do terrifying things at night.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2012 00:13:45 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Lapochka</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Enef</i>
		<blockquote>Sponsors are expected to do many things: Tf2 server, Mumble server, T-shirts, Lan Support, Equipment support.</blockquote>

A good read, thanks a lot. :) I've div2 sponskill. :(]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2012 00:10:43 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Oxy</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[As far as TC is concerned we only ask that people wear tags and avatars most of the time (and some people even struggle with that!).

Not gonna mention names but some sponsors seem to want you to lick their arse these days by liking all their shit on facebook and writing lengthy stupid reports no-one will read so they look slightly more professional and making people do loads of shitty mandatory stuff.

Quite frankly I'd say I've done quite a lot for TC but spike has never asked me to do anything or forced anyone to do anything dumb and I like that &#60;3]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2012 00:08:00 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Spike Himself</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-20967/page-2/?recent=377915#post=376386</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Enef</i>
		<blockquote><em>wall of text</em></blockquote>

I sponsor teams so that I can have friends in mumble.

True story.

Seriously; I pay for everything myself, and there is no income. Not even a nomination in the people's choice thingy.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 23:54:05 +0200</pubDate>
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