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    	    <title>Reply by Hildreth</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Zethzio</i>
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I don't think that is necessarily true as SPUF were pretty positive about my youtube channel when it was posted there

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2501303</blockquote>

No-one could be negative to you Zeth &#60;3]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 15:46:57 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Zethzio</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from AcidReniX</i>
		<blockquote>

I have so many friends who when I say, "I'm just watching a TF2 game", they turn around and say, "Why would anyone want to watch a computer game? I'd play it but why would I waste my time watching others player it?". That pretty much sums up the casual / public scene in my opinion.
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I don't think that is necessarily true as SPUF were pretty positive about my youtube channel when it was posted there

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2501303]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 13:09:57 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by konr</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from CrashSite</i>
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Great idea. Go do it.</blockquote>I would love to if I had the time.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2012 12:07:35 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Hildreth</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from konr</i>
		<blockquote>Contact admins and such of big public TF2 communities and try to convince them to let their players make 6v6 and 9v9 community teams.</blockquote>

You mean like - http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/f/f1/Etf2l_highlander_promo.jpg/400px-Etf2l_highlander_promo.jpg]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 18:49:22 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by CrashSite</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from konr</i>
		<blockquote>Contact admins and such of big public TF2 communities and try to convince them to let their players make 6v6 and 9v9 community teams.</blockquote>

Great idea. Go do it.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 18:35:16 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by konr</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Contact admins and such of big public TF2 communities and try to convince them to let their players make 6v6 and 9v9 community teams.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 18:26:29 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by atmo</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[newbie mix stream vod has disappeared D:]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 17:05:24 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by CrashSite</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from atmo</i>
		<blockquote>2000 people, 0 mixes in the last 3 days.</blockquote>

Well back today. Going to spend my evening sorting it out &#60;3]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 14:46:21 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Engelhardt</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from ashkan</i>
		<blockquote>Sent a proposal to Valve a couple of days ago, on behalf of ETF2L and some other orgs, trying to persuade them into adding a comp subforum. They added it today, so go post: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=1360</blockquote>

Good job and btw http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2599975 this is one of the better topic i've seen for now :p]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 13:47:25 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Rychius</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from atmo</i>
		<blockquote>2000 people, 0 mixes in the last 3 days.</blockquote>
thats why the group needs new admins lol]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 13:36:43 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by atmo</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[2000 people, 0 mixes in the last 3 days.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 13:29:28 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by CrashSite</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Well that was the end goal of the newbie mix group, kinda worked got 3-4 teams I think. If I can get it going again I will try to do it again. 

The problem is getting someone to manage it. It is quite hard to add 5 random people and start trialling. I always felt that you needed at least two people to start.

Unless you are someone like Spike...

I can't actually see a way to get around it.

In terms of pub players not liking comp. There is a good number who just have never tried it. We saw 2000 people join the group, so there are plenty of people who are interested. On top of that, there are plenty of people who have never heard of it and another set with misconceptions.

You can grab always those people. 

But yes, a good start would be getting teams together out of available players.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:03:34 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by AcidReniX</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[My personal opinion is that competitive TF2 and public / casual TF2 are two completely different groups of people. It is nearly impossible to persuade public gamers to take part in competitive events (that are more than just a one off). You have to remember why the vast majority of gamers play games in the first place.

I have so many friends who when I say, "I'm just watching a TF2 game", they turn around and say, "Why would anyone want to watch a computer game? I'd play it but why would I waste my time watching others player it?". That pretty much sums up the casual / public scene in my opinion.

The two ways to make the competitive TF2 scene grow are by encouraging competitive gamers from other games to move over, and getting the clanless players into teams. For the first one, you have to show them that TF2 is worth playing, they would enjoy it, and that it's not so hard to start playing.

The main focus should not be on trying to get new players into competitive gaming. The focus should be on getting the current clanless competitive gamers into a team. If you take the recruitment page on ETF2L, you probably have more than 30 teams worth of players on there, and that's only the players who have bothered to make a post. There are probably hundreds of other players who don't play competitive TF2 because they simply do not have a team. Get those guys actively playing, and the competitive scene booms.

Persuade people to form teams, give them help with servers, voice comms. Help promote active clanless players who are willing to put in effort for a team. My suggestion would be some sort of pickup system that has the aim of actually building a team. Maybe a player signs up for a pickup and selects an option that they are willing to captain a team. After the pickup is over, they can express their interest in a player they just played with, and that player can respond. Something like a recruitment pickup system.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:00:24 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by CrashSite</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from vani</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Get the fuck online, we cant pcw without you.</blockquote>

I am coming tonight &#60;3]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 10:34:28 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by CrashSite</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Can we get a sticky with a complete set of links to stuff like: streams, guides, vanillatf2 etc etc.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 10:29:49 +0100</pubDate>
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