ETF2L – Latest activity in “What sketch wrote” https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-16704/ Reply by Buffalo Bill https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-16704/page-2/?recent=301648#post=301648 Quoted from Sketch
[...] yes they are if you are not using cl2! another person becomes enlightened to the whole point of thread! you have faster gameplay in cl1 vs heavies, snipers,pyro's etc BECAUSE YOU ALREADY HAVE A NATURAL COUNTER!
Pyro and Heavy will remain massively annoying to play against regardless of CL1 or CL2. It's not having to switch to a different class selection that annoys people. How on earth is it the class limit 2 that results in the weapons breaking the current competitive format.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=16704&post=301648 Sat, 07 May 2011 22:14:18 +0200 Reply by Sketch https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-16704/page-2/?recent=301648#post=301647 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=16704&post=301647 Sat, 07 May 2011 22:12:43 +0200 Reply by Sketch https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-16704/page-1/?recent=301648#post=301645 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=16704&post=301645 Sat, 07 May 2011 22:08:43 +0200 Reply by Vint4ge14 https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-16704/page-1/?recent=301648#post=301644 Quoted from Sketch
unlocks break cl2 vanilla is best but unlocks will happen natural counter to unlocks is to change class limit to balance the inevitable introduction.
inevitable? nty]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=16704&post=301644 Sat, 07 May 2011 22:08:27 +0200 Reply by Sketch https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-16704/page-1/?recent=301648#post=301643 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=16704&post=301643 Sat, 07 May 2011 22:07:23 +0200 Reply by S1M0N https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-16704/page-1/?recent=301648#post=301642 Quoted from Sketch
! the weapons are not designed to compliment 6v6 CLASS LIMIT TWO omg you have got the point well done BUFFALOOOOW. hence adapting tf2 to fit with what the majority of tf2 players (not necesarily comp) could relate to as tf2. Also by having a direct class counter to almost every class. you also have a direct counter to every unlock. cl2 prevented this by limiting your standard rollout class choices because 2 sol 2 scout will beat any unlockables/class rollout within current rules in the vast majority of cases. thus leading to "omg unlock-gay" if you do get unlucky at any point and get raped by unlocks. technically by removing cl2, in theory you destroy the boundaries that prevent unlocks that were designed to work in a balanced class rollout ie.cl1 from working. (may i make it perfectly clear that i am a pure vanilla fanboy and that all of this is just logical adaptation) by removing that overpowered element from 6v6: cl2. You also remove the overpowered/gay element from unlocks!
I would quit tf2 if cl1 was enforced in leagues. I like vanilla and always will but I'd still go cl2 over vanilla anyday. not worth fighting for vanilla if the only way to get there is to destroy the game in another way then unlocks.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=16704&post=301642 Sat, 07 May 2011 22:04:45 +0200 Reply by Sketch https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-16704/page-1/?recent=301648#post=301639 Quoted from Wabbeh
WHat class would replace them? Heavy? Pyro? Yeah, those classes are soooo fun to play against.
yes they are if you are not using cl2! another person becomes enlightened to the whole point of thread! you have faster gameplay in cl1 vs heavies, snipers,pyro's etc BECAUSE YOU ALREADY HAVE A NATURAL COUNTER!]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=16704&post=301639 Sat, 07 May 2011 22:03:06 +0200 Reply by Sketch https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-16704/page-1/?recent=301648#post=301638 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=16704&post=301638 Sat, 07 May 2011 22:01:16 +0200 Reply by WabbitsFoot https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-16704/page-1/?recent=301648#post=301633 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=16704&post=301633 Sat, 07 May 2011 21:56:44 +0200 Reply by Buffalo Bill https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-16704/page-1/?recent=301648#post=301631 Quoted from Sketch
that was the point i was trying to bring up.. is it old. is it broken/is cinnamon breaking it, do we need to adapt?
Considering the weapons aren't designed with comp in mind, I'd say the answer to that is pretty damn clear.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=16704&post=301631 Sat, 07 May 2011 21:41:05 +0200 Reply by Koeitje https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-16704/page-1/?recent=301648#post=301630 Quoted from Sketch
[...] thats not the point! i specifically said in not trying to make ppl play how i want them to this is a suggestion! and i mentioned that all teams are 6v6 so 7v7 cl1 is naturally not viable. main point of post was. 6v6cl2 works vanilla not unlocks. if ya want unlocks/decide that unlocks are inevitable part of comp. change the format to accommodate it! as cl2 doesnt fit the puzzle.
Why wouldn't 7v7 cl1 be viable but 6v6 cl1 would be?]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=16704&post=301630 Sat, 07 May 2011 21:39:18 +0200 Reply by Sketch https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-16704/page-1/?recent=301648#post=301629 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=16704&post=301629 Sat, 07 May 2011 21:39:14 +0200 Reply by Buffalo Bill https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-16704/page-1/?recent=301648#post=301625 Quoted from Sketch
[...] main point of post was. 6v6cl2 works vanilla not unlocks. if ya want unlocks/decide that unlocks are inevitable part of comp. change the format to accommodate it! as cl2 doesnt fit the puzzle.
Don't fix what isn't broken. Why change the entire format only to accomodate shite unlocks that weren't made with competitive in mind when we have a perfectly good format ready and waiting to be played?]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=16704&post=301625 Sat, 07 May 2011 21:17:13 +0200 Reply by Sketch https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-16704/page-1/?recent=301648#post=301620 Quoted from Koeitje
[...] Ok, 6v6 cl1 then. Go play wireplay then? 7v7 cl1? And nobody is stopping you from using cl1 in your own team.
thats not the point! i specifically said in not trying to make ppl play how i want them to this is a suggestion! and i mentioned that all teams are 6v6 so 7v7 cl1 is naturally not viable. main point of post was. 6v6cl2 works vanilla not unlocks. if ya want unlocks/decide that unlocks are inevitable part of comp. change the format to accommodate it! as cl2 doesnt fit the puzzle.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=16704&post=301620 Sat, 07 May 2011 21:07:18 +0200 Reply by Koeitje https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-16704/page-1/?recent=301648#post=301617 Quoted from Sketch
no you really didnt read. i said change our format. not the unlocks. and i hate unlocks :D
Ok, 6v6 cl1 then. Go play wireplay then? 7v7 cl1? And nobody is stopping you from using cl1 in your own team.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=16704&post=301617 Sat, 07 May 2011 21:01:25 +0200