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    	    <title>Reply by Nmx</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-15701/page-4/?recent=279791#post=279791</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from skeej</i>
		<blockquote>Why are people discussing this. You either like the idea, and play there, or you don't... WTF is the problem?</blockquote>

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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:39:36 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Noeandee</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-15701/page-4/?recent=279791#post=279774</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[double..]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:45:01 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Noeandee</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-15701/page-4/?recent=279791#post=279772</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I prefer a server, with weapon restrictions. I think some weapons are more skill-based then others. Or make the game more fun to play. I don't think the DH or Sandman or Degreaser are fun, challenging weapons. So I'm happy with servers that limit them to 0.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:44:14 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Medic-kun</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-15701/page-4/?recent=279791#post=279625</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I approve]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 19:12:32 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by skeej</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-15701/page-3/?recent=279791#post=279621</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Why are people discussing this. You either like the idea, and play there, or you don't... WTF is the problem?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 18:54:37 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Tikcus</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-15701/page-3/?recent=279791#post=279619</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from AcidReniX</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

I love that line. I heard it so often. Valve don't try and balance an unlock for a 12vs12 public. They try to roughly balance it against all of the rest of the weapons and classes.

There are obviously some weapons that are better against large numbers of players, vs against small numbers. But no significant unlock in this game is an 'ESSENTIAL' unlock that players must use in order just to compete with players using it. Therefore a large majority of the unlocks are perfectly fine in 6v6. Some are just more unenjoyable to play against, which is a seperate argument.</blockquote>

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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 18:53:24 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by AcidReniX</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-15701/page-3/?recent=279791#post=279611</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Jude</i>
		<blockquote>these items are designed and BALANCED around public play, not 6v6.
</blockquote>

I love that line. I heard it so often. Valve don't try and balance an unlock for a 12vs12 public. They try to roughly balance it against all of the rest of the weapons and classes.

There are obviously some weapons that are better against large numbers of players, vs against small numbers. But no significant unlock in this game is an 'ESSENTIAL' unlock that players must use in order just to compete with players using it. Therefore a large majority of the unlocks are perfectly fine in 6v6. Some are just more unenjoyable to play against, which is a seperate argument.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 18:34:14 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by adam-skyride</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-15701/page-3/?recent=279791#post=279606</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from CommanderX</i>
		<blockquote>Unlocks need to contribute something to gameplay to be league worthy as opposed to just being "balanced"</blockquote>

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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 18:29:18 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Nick</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-15701/page-3/?recent=279791#post=279603</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[It's empty :(]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 18:22:39 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Spike Himself</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-15701/page-3/?recent=279791#post=279431</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from freshmeatt</i>
		<blockquote>You guys need to learn much about tolerance.</blockquote>

This goes for a lot of people on etf2l :D]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:12:23 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by freshmeatt</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-15701/page-3/?recent=279791#post=279242</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[You guys need to learn much about tolerance.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2011 15:10:37 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by CommanderX</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-15701/page-3/?recent=279791#post=279240</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Unlocks need to contribute something to gameplay to be league worthy as opposed to just being "balanced"

ot: servers looks nice]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2011 15:07:07 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by RaCio</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-15701/page-3/?recent=279791#post=279239</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Jude</i>
		<blockquote>
i can't even tell who is trolling who. surely racio you're not saying ban dh and wrangler etc on public?</blockquote>
No I was saying it silly to ban the degreaser and crossbow cause they would be bad weapons while allowing the wrangler. Let alone calling people who use different weapons "noobs", which is a bit childish.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2011 15:05:54 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by JudeRomero</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-15701/page-3/?recent=279791#post=279238</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[at what point did i say you couldn't or should not make this server? 

i was criticising the attitude towards unlocks that this community has.
There's nothing wrong with the wrangler, its designed to counter spam, but leaves more vulnerable to spies etc. l2adapt

i hear kuma made a nice post on vanilla tf2 about adapting and learning to play tf2 <a href="http://www.vanillatf2.org/2011/02/rant-gamesense-and-you-a-look-at-the-most-important-skill-in-tf2/">http://www.vanillatf2.org/2011/02/rant-gamesense-and-you-a-look-at-the-most-important-skill-in-tf2/</a>]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2011 15:02:05 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Daleth</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-15701/page-3/?recent=279791#post=279235</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Jude</i>
		<blockquote>this thread is disgusting.

i can't even tell who is trolling who. surely racio you're not saying ban dh and wrangler etc on public?

this game is made for fun not for etf2ls shitty close minded approach to unlocks. 

these items are designed and BALANCED around public play, not 6v6.

complaining about the caber? seriously. the thing is f*cking hilarious. learn to have fun</blockquote>

"LOL DUDE U LIKE ELECTRONICA MUSIC WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU? LEARN TO LISTEN TO RAP, WHICH IS CLEARLY THE BEST"]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2011 14:57:25 +0100</pubDate>
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