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    	    <title>Reply by Dukermons</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-15483/page-2/?recent=273394#post=273394</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Sweet.  Sign me up please... £10 on Epsilon to win.....most things, thanx :)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 18:16:29 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by kuma1</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from kaidus</i>
		<blockquote>I have no basis for this assumption other than common sense, but I really, really do not think match fixing would be a problem for tf2...</blockquote>

Sounds like e-sports in general, not just TF2.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:33:06 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by kaidus</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[I have no basis for this assumption other than common sense, but I really, really do not think match fixing would be a problem for tf2...]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:31:49 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Luke</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Monkeh</i>
		<blockquote>Survey completed, love the idea but do have concerns with the match fixing thing.

Limit's are all well and good, however what's stopping each member of a random top team, let's say power gaming for instance, bettting up to the limit on losing, plus all their friends, and all their e-friends, and their families, and the friends of their families, and their dogs....you get the idea.

The limit on the betting would have to be AT LEAST a sixth of the winnings in TF2, otherwise the temptation will be there for the team members to group together to lose a cap here and there. 

Are we talking about 10/20 pence/cent betting here?</blockquote>
Limits are all relative to prizes on offer, and there are other ways to monitor it. Just like in football, bookmakers have very complex ways of monitoring unusual betting patterns. If suddenly £100,000 gets bet on a match that would normally have £1,000 bet on in alarm bells ring :)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:25:48 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Dukermons</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-15483/page-1/?recent=273394#post=273366</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Survey completed, love the idea but do have concerns with the match fixing thing.

Limit's are all well and good, however what's stopping each member of a random top team, let's say power gaming for instance, bettting up to the limit on losing, plus all their friends, and all their e-friends, and their families, and the friends of their families, and their dogs....you get the idea.

The limit on the betting would have to be AT LEAST a sixth of the winnings in TF2, otherwise the temptation will be there for the team members to group together to lose a cap here and there. 

Are we talking about 10/20 pence/cent betting here?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:23:08 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Rychius</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Swarlz</i>
		<blockquote>[...]
SC2 &#62; football</blockquote>
get a life.
oh wait, what..]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:18:40 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by evd_-</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[saw this on tek-9, have done the survey. gl =)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:18:13 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by caned</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[I think this would be awesome.  

Actually I'd probably end up even poorer....]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:50:32 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Luke</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-15483/page-1/?recent=273394#post=273360</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Match Fixing: In Korea there were no limits on the betting amounts. You offer limits relative to the prizes on offer so there isn't the incentive to throw games. There are many other methods that I don't really want to disclose details of publicaly for obvious reasons.

Jacob Nielsen, XLBet Co-Founder:
"I would be ignorant if I say that I am 100% sure it has never happened, but at least I can confirm that we didn’t have any issues at XLBet forcing us to cancel bets for suspicious reasons"."
""Furthermore we are in close contact with both ESL and HLTV.org, and we have had examples where these and also actual team managers have contacted us after a “weird” result wanting to hear if some “funny” money was placed on the odd outcome, but as for now answers have always been NO"
http://www.hltv.org/news/2267-can-e-sport-matches-be-fixed

Re: PaddyPower - it looks very unlikely that they will do any more events, at least not on a regular basis.

Re: Government recognition: We (the leading players in the UK esports industry) are always in contact about anything related to the Government and gaming, and we aren't going to let some chumps come along and fleece us again! Having betting offered on a sport helps to increase its legitimacy and public awareness though.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:48:56 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by kaidus</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[In favour, would like to see it.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:43:15 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Ghostface</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[INB4 PREM TEAMS LOSING TO DIV6.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:35:13 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Iplaynaked</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from rytis</i>
		<blockquote>why the f do you want esports betting , when you got football betting?</blockquote>
SC2 &#62; football]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:28:55 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Rychius</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[why the f do you want esports betting , when you got football betting?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:26:20 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Bury.</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Had the same idea a few years ago but when XLBet was around so it was pointless. 
And with paddypower sometimes doing COD LAN event bets it seems like a market they could easily break into if they really wanted to.
Curious about your thoughts on "and also offering betting on it helps the case for us to get Government recognition of Esports as an official sport." ukesa didn't really go very well - hopefully though if it does get picked up again they will pick someone suitable for the job. I assume you're talking about the UK's government of which I'd be amazed to see the tories back this.

Even so, signed and GL.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:20:43 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Iplaynaked</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[However this is something i've been interested in for a while, I've taken the survey and will be following progress]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:16:41 +0100</pubDate>
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