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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;Open Letter to Dreamhack Management&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by fisk</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-14657/page-3/?recent=251723#post=251723</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from trams</i>
		<blockquote>A petition will only do so much, I think we have to get involved ourselves, help them out with sponsors and so on, Valve isnt impossible to talk with either and can provide some prices.

If we only relies on DH crew this is gonna fail(again).

I think we need a group that keeps the interest up and can communicate with Dreamhacks esport crew.

Any volunteers? ;)</blockquote>

The problem doesn't lie with volunteers, OG-admins can vouch for that. We were the ones keeping contact with DH crew and ran the tourney and all. We did everything we could to give TF2 the biggest audience on DH, but the DH-crew treated TF2 like dirt, didn't want to give it support even though they gave us promises. It's impossible to get anything going if the administrators of the LAN themselfs don't support you. Sad but true :/ and I know dignitas and random swedish teams can vouch for that too since they saw us struggle live. From my personal viewpoint I wouldn't mind arranging it again, but then DH would really have to come to me saying pretty much "we're sorry we're gonna do our best to support you" because what they did last year pretty much made me negative towards DH which I've attended every single time for like 7 years in a row before last years LAN. That's how bad it is (was?)...]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 16:00:01 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by GangsterAlgot</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-14657/page-2/?recent=251723#post=251642</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from trams</i>
		<blockquote>...I have heard that foreigners rather go to Sweden in the summer when girls have less clothes:))</blockquote>

Not to mention the guys, who also have less clothes.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 14:31:55 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by tramsig</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-14657/page-2/?recent=251723#post=251632</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from ashkan</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

OMG TRADING CARDS?!!? THEY'VE GOTTA GIVE AT LEAST A FEW OF THOSE TO THE WINNERS!! I'M SIGNING UP</blockquote>

And hats!!! trading cards and hats!! this is gonna be sooooo great!!!! OMG! and medals! trading cards, hats and medals for all!!! we are gonna get like 950 teams!!! ehhhrm, maybe not but I think with a good planned and executed competition we are going to see the tf2 community grow, and I think DH summer is the right place to start, DH winter is larger but then we have lots of other popular games to compete with(and I have heard that foreigners rather go to Sweden in the summer when girls have less clothes:))]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 14:17:01 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by ashkan</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-14657/page-2/?recent=251723#post=251581</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Darn</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Yeh robin has naturally helped out by sending tshirts and tf2 trading cards in the past :D</blockquote>

OMG TRADING CARDS?!!? THEY'VE GOTTA GIVE AT LEAST A FEW OF THOSE TO THE WINNERS!! I'M SIGNING UP]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 13:23:35 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Darn</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-14657/page-2/?recent=251723#post=251579</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from ashkan</i>
		<blockquote>Good thing he created this thread then, so you can combine the effort. As tramsig said, we've discussed it for a couple of days. When asking robin this morning, he naturally confirmed valve will help out with prizes and whatnot. Support from the whole community is definitely needed to make this work, and cooperation between swedes and outsiders is almost essential. I don't know what I would be able to help out with (except spam robin as always), and I'm sure you guys are on top of it. Still, if anyone needs a place to stay or anything, just hit me up, since our villa is located about 5 minutes from dreamhack. 

Also, Racio coming is a requirement!! &#60;3</blockquote>

Yeh robin has naturally helped out by sending tshirts and tf2 trading cards in the past :D]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 13:21:37 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by dunc</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-14657/page-2/?recent=251723#post=251576</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Tapley ❤</i>
		<blockquote>Hit me up if you need any help on organising stuff Duncan i've always wished to visit sverige, I know your eager to get out of Newcastle in the winter ! http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01173/newcastle-682_1173479a.jpg (actual photo of newcastle at the weekend from the sun)</blockquote>
Will do mate.

As it happens, second from left is a friend of my cousin... :D Shame it's not the one on the far left, she is positively fucking gorgeous.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 13:18:35 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Jazzman</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-14657/page-2/?recent=251723#post=251572</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Extremer</i>
		<blockquote>Thing is, you can't expect the top teams to attend all the lans. February - WASM, March - MAXLAN, April - i42, Summer - DH (if this works), Antwerp Esports Festival, i43, Summer Assembly. That's 7 lans in 7 months. I'm not even counting the slightly smaller lans like the epic.LAN.</blockquote>

then attend the lans which are most important for the growth of TF2]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 13:13:41 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by ashkan</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-14657/page-2/?recent=251723#post=251569</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Good thing he created this thread then, so you can combine the effort. As tramsig said, we've discussed it for a couple of days. When asking robin this morning, he naturally confirmed valve will help out with prizes and whatnot. Support from the whole community is definitely needed to make this work, and cooperation between swedes and outsiders is almost essential. I don't know what I would be able to help out with (except spam robin as always), and I'm sure you guys are on top of it. Still, if anyone needs a place to stay or anything, just hit me up, since our villa is located about 5 minutes from dreamhack. 

Also, Racio coming is a requirement!! &#60;3]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 13:11:05 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by evd_-</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-14657/page-2/?recent=251723#post=251565</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from dauk</i>
		<blockquote>in which country dh are hield?</blockquote>

sweden you noob =D]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 13:00:21 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by tapley</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-14657/page-2/?recent=251723#post=251563</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Hit me up if you need any help on organising stuff Duncan i've always wished to visit sverige, I know your eager to get out of Newcastle in the winter ! http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01173/newcastle-682_1173479a.jpg (actual photo of newcastle at the weekend from the sun)

The petition won't do much on its own but yeah with the letter its another string to the bow. Try to give them details of the i40 attendance as the more tickets we convince them we can sell the more open they will be to giving us a tournament, thats all they really care about is the moneys as i doubt they'll go out of pocket to help us.

As for 7 lans in 7 months, isn't that why you guys spend so much time playing this game each week, to compete at lans against the best and win money like real progamerz?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 12:49:39 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by dunc</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-14657/page-2/?recent=251723#post=251562</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from trams</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Aaah, nice, if you need more help I think both me and ashkan is interested.</blockquote>
I will certainly be in touch once I've put a first draft together, tram.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 12:46:18 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Dauk</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-14657/page-2/?recent=251723#post=251561</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[in which country dh are hield?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 12:41:03 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by tramsig</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-14657/page-2/?recent=251723#post=251560</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Darn</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Petition is just part of duncs letter which will involve all things mentioned above.</blockquote>

Aaah, nice, if you need more help I think both me and ashkan is interested.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 12:40:38 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by GibbZ</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-14657/page-2/?recent=251723#post=251557</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I agree with tramsig. One thing TF2 has that alot of games doesn't is that developer communication and "support". Getting any kind of support from valve would be awesome tbh.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 12:30:46 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Extremer</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-14657/page-2/?recent=251723#post=251556</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Thing is, you can't expect the top teams to attend all the lans. February - WASM, March - MAXLAN, April - i42, Summer - DH (if this works), Antwerp Esports Festival, i43, Summer Assembly. That's 7 lans in 7 months. I'm not even counting the slightly smaller lans like the epic.LAN.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 12:22:56 +0100</pubDate>
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