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    	    <title>Reply by Ghostface</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-14533/page-4/?recent=250736#post=250736</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Can't lose anything if I try, I guess. Hit me up on steam when you guys need a sub. I main soldier but I can handle most classes at a div6 level, except demo. I'm terribad at leftrightleftright.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2010 20:26:17 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Pirateer</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-14533/page-4/?recent=250736#post=250725</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[improving with a mentor is better than improving on your own

Also ghostface, you can play with sense2 if you like, we're always needing a sub ;)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2010 20:10:38 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Ghostface</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-14533/page-4/?recent=250736#post=250721</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I still want mixbuddies.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2010 20:01:25 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by freshmeatt</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-14533/page-4/?recent=250736#post=250701</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Pirateer</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Short sighted tbh, the fact that Div6 is lower than pro divisions dosen't mean that Div6 players are untrustworthy, can't be assed or unwilling. I may not be as good as higher div players, but div dosen't matter. I'm willing to help anyone who is new to 6v6,show them the ropes and teach them skills, roles, tactics, rollouts, proper comms etc.

I go over my demos regularly, pick out mistakes, and work on them in scrims and pugs. I can do that with any player, and it helps a lot.</blockquote>

If you want, you will get better, there is really nothing mysterious about the process of improving individually. All these tips and mentoring program is meant to help people out, but it's not like without it you can't get good nor will you instantly get good with it.
Also, get the point already - takes two men without desire to play better to pull the whole team back.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2010 19:29:03 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Pirateer</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-14533/page-3/?recent=250736#post=250692</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Tapley ❤</i>
		<blockquote>Best way to learn is to play with a decent bunch of friendly div6'ers and pick up your aim on your own, until your ready to move up to a better team who can teach you more of both gamesense and aim.</blockquote>

Like Sense ;)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2010 19:09:03 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by tapley</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-14533/page-3/?recent=250736#post=250630</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Of course anyone in div6 with expirence can help new players, but i suggest they pick the right kind of div6 team/players. As div6 from my expirence is full of either:
A - Older players who have some gamesense and just like to play tf2 but dont really have any aim.
B - 15 year old dribbling spastics who play MGE mod all day but still can't develop any brains so remain div6.

Best way to learn is to play with a decent bunch of friendly div6'ers and pick up your aim on your own, until your ready to move up to a better team who can teach you more of both gamesense and aim.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2010 17:49:41 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Pirateer</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-14533/page-3/?recent=250736#post=250605</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from freshmeatt</i>
		<blockquote>Commitment, willingness, trust. Div6 is lacking these, so what else is there to be said?</blockquote>

Short sighted tbh, the fact that Div6 is lower than pro divisions dosen't mean that Div6 players are untrustworthy, can't be assed or unwilling. I may not be as good as higher div players, but div dosen't matter. I'm willing to help anyone who is new to 6v6,show them the ropes and teach them skills, roles, tactics, rollouts, proper comms etc.

I go over my demos regularly, pick out mistakes, and work on them in scrims and pugs. I can do that with any player, and it helps a lot.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2010 17:18:33 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Anathema</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-14533/page-3/?recent=250736#post=250162</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Bollocks. Low division players can't mentor people/teams properly.
Like most people I started out in div5 and I can safely say I did the wrong stuff consistently.
Not hating on low division players, because pretty much anyone can play in div3 if they get the right opportunities.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 28 Nov 2010 15:45:05 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Linus</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-14533/page-3/?recent=250736#post=250035</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[the approach of saying that div6 players know exactly what to do just cant execute it as well is VERY optimistic... not saying its not true but i certainly doubt it applies to the vast majority.

^^my personal experience anyway.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 28 Nov 2010 13:28:18 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by freshmeatt</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-14533/page-3/?recent=250736#post=250028</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Commitment, willingness, trust. Div6 is lacking these, so what else is there to be said?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 28 Nov 2010 13:15:08 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Nick</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-14533/page-3/?recent=250736#post=249936</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Div6 players (that put the work into their team) and Premier players both know a lot about the game. The main difference is that Premier players know how to apply this knowledge to the game well, where div6 players still make a lot of mistakes and when they watch their own demos later on, you can be sure they can pick out most of their mistakes and say exactly what it is they need to improve on.

That's why it doesn't matter what division you're in if the purpose is to mentor someone. Yes, it will be lacking compared to a higher division player. But you can be damn sure having a person outside of your team critically watching you is helpful, no matter what experience he has.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 28 Nov 2010 02:30:05 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Spike Himself</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-14533/page-3/?recent=250736#post=249924</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from RaCio</i>
		<blockquote>[...]Since when do you need a specific devisions to know teamwork or to be able to help division6 people improve?


Surely, a division 1 player might be able to do a better job, but that's not relevant. The guy is wanting to help people out, let him.</blockquote>

It's true, I'm a div5 medic and I've helped a div6 team with stuff, and it seems to work for them. Granted, I can't teach them everything, but I've gone from div6 to 5 so I must know something, right?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 28 Nov 2010 01:43:35 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by RaCio</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-14533/page-3/?recent=250736#post=249923</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from octochris</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

not looking to get into an argument, but isn't the point of mentoring to teach someone tactics and teamplay for tf2?</blockquote>Since when do you need a specific devisions to know teamwork or to be able to help division6 people improve?


Surely, a division 1 player might be able to do a better job, but that's not relevant. The guy is wanting to help people out, let him.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 28 Nov 2010 01:41:36 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Pirateer</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-14533/page-3/?recent=250736#post=249907</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[damn guys you don't get it
 just leave it]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 28 Nov 2010 00:29:18 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by HeroNL</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-14533/page-3/?recent=250736#post=249904</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[What Chris is saying is that you lack the 6v6 experience to mentor him because you play don't have experience in higher rank matches where tactics and teamwork play a much bigger role]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 28 Nov 2010 00:25:29 +0100</pubDate>
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