ETF2L – Latest activity in “Ways to push your team?”

ETF2L – Latest activity in “Ways to push your team?” https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-13766/ Reply by evd_- https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-13766/page-2/?recent=234688#post=234688 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=13766&post=234688 Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:40:24 +0200 Reply by I am not Icecream https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-13766/page-2/?recent=234688#post=234686 Quoted from Enef

Be aggressive, monkeh, not stupid. :)

This Get demo's from last night's mix Monkeh, and compare the pushes of the two teams to see the difference.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=13766&post=234686 Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:29:33 +0200 Reply by Enef https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-13766/page-2/?recent=234688#post=234684 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=13766&post=234684 Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:25:37 +0200 Reply by Willow https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-13766/page-2/?recent=234688#post=234673 Quoted from konr

[...]I completely agree. It's risky, but to be honest going in WITH uber is also a risk, being that most medics in lower division games focus on the soldiers and the demoman whilst it's popped, and that means the scouts get neglected a bit more than usual (even if they do get heals), which isn't ideal. Point is every single situation is going to be risky regardless of having your uber or not, and being pessimistic and saying 'but they'll get our medic ;_;!!' is the wrong way to go about it. Think logically about the situation, take risks and win! If you lose, it's a learning experience and you'll know not to do the exact same thing next time when you're in the situation that you were in. tl;dr i agree with joske, take risks and have fun

The only reason Monkeh is pessimistic and saying 'but they'll get our medic ;_;!!' is because he is our medic, and is selfish. He always holds us back with his self-preservation calls >.<]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=13766&post=234673 Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:06:51 +0200 Reply by Koeitje https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-13766/page-2/?recent=234688#post=234617 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=13766&post=234617 Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:51:31 +0200 Reply by konr https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-13766/page-2/?recent=234688#post=234614 Quoted from N/A

[...] All of these things can happen with uber. If you are pushing when you don't have uber without knowledge of where the opposing teams sticky trap is at, you're making a mistake. Being the agressor puts you in power, you get to make the decisions.

I completely agree. It's risky, but to be honest going in WITH uber is also a risk, being that most medics in lower division games focus on the soldiers and the demoman whilst it's popped, and that means the scouts get neglected a bit more than usual (even if they do get heals), which isn't ideal. Point is every single situation is going to be risky regardless of having your uber or not, and being pessimistic and saying 'but they'll get our medic ;_;!!' is the wrong way to go about it. Think logically about the situation, take risks and win! If you lose, it's a learning experience and you'll know not to do the exact same thing next time when you're in the situation that you were in. tl;dr i agree with joske, take risks and have fun]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=13766&post=234614 Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:33:04 +0200 Reply by kuma1 https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-13766/page-2/?recent=234688#post=234583 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=13766&post=234583 Wed, 20 Oct 2010 03:08:23 +0200 Reply by Chaos https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-13766/page-2/?recent=234688#post=234581 Quoted from N/A

[...] All of these things can happen with uber. If you are pushing when you don't have uber without knowledge of where the opposing teams sticky trap is at, you're making a mistake. Being the agressor puts you in power, you get to make the decisions.

as much as I'd hate to, I agree with Joske. The point of this for me, was to find ways of pushing without uber. That surely would help our pushes with uber right? If you don't know the thrill of pushing into a point and taking it, when you don't have uber (or even a medic at times) and you win through pure teamwork/DM, you haven't lived my friend]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=13766&post=234581 Wed, 20 Oct 2010 02:59:47 +0200 Reply by BOOMting https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-13766/page-2/?recent=234688#post=234390 Quoted from Monkeh

[...] ...and lose the medic and pocket to a sticky trap? Or the demo, or a scout or two or, or, or.....etc.

All of these things can happen with uber. If you are pushing when you don't have uber without knowledge of where the opposing teams sticky trap is at, you're making a mistake. Being the agressor puts you in power, you get to make the decisions.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=13766&post=234390 Tue, 19 Oct 2010 17:18:20 +0200 Reply by Dukermons https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-13766/page-2/?recent=234688#post=234369 Quoted from Koeitje

Joske is not telling you to run in as headless chickens...

Damn, that's what we're best at.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=13766&post=234369 Tue, 19 Oct 2010 16:23:14 +0200 Reply by Koeitje https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-13766/page-1/?recent=234688#post=234367 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=13766&post=234367 Tue, 19 Oct 2010 16:21:55 +0200 Reply by Eledorian https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-13766/page-1/?recent=234688#post=234366 Quoted from Monkeh

[...] ...and lose the medic and pocket to a sticky trap? Or the demo, or a scout or two or, or, or.....etc.

You could go on forever like that, point is. If you have uber and 6 up there is no reason to wait. Sure you could endlessly try to get a pick on a demo/medic, but otherwise just push, force their uber and make them spread it around as much as possible.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=13766&post=234366 Tue, 19 Oct 2010 16:20:06 +0200 Reply by tapley https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-13766/page-1/?recent=234688#post=234363 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=13766&post=234363 Tue, 19 Oct 2010 16:15:06 +0200 Reply by Dukermons https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-13766/page-1/?recent=234688#post=234360 Quoted from N/A

I still don't understand why teams wait till they have uber. If you both don't have uber 6v6, just push!

...and lose the medic and pocket to a sticky trap? Or the demo, or a scout or two or, or, or.....etc.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=13766&post=234360 Tue, 19 Oct 2010 16:12:00 +0200 Reply by BOOMting https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-13766/page-1/?recent=234688#post=234354 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=general&topic=13766&post=234354 Tue, 19 Oct 2010 16:01:54 +0200