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    	    <title>Reply by Solus</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-1299/page-3/?recent=12580#post=12580</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[The idea behind the well shot (Which imo is the only damning clip in the video) isn't the fact that he shoots at the closed well door. It's that he shoots at the closed well door roughly where the soldier is (normal) but his crosshair mechanically snaps to the demoman to the right after the shot (not normal).

The demoman had not been sighted from the scout's POV at all.

Though because that's one instance you could chalk that down to coincidence.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:32:33 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Myth</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-1299/page-3/?recent=12580#post=12541</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I havent played with him so i cant tell accurate coz of the stv and the other shitz(luck,sound etc)but the clip is suspicious...]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:36:14 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by j3tstream</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-1299/page-3/?recent=12580#post=12470</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[no aimbot so far.... aimbot point is to give u 100% hit doesnt show that there.
I could say that prolly we could be using some wallhack but since there was no true TRACKING trough walls since I could perfectly hear them and see the shadows. Predict something is a good thing  I dunno where predict a camping point is bad since we all do it in some way after some gameplay. Slowmotion vids suck anyway but wtever was the biggest lame atempt I´ve seen trying to see some cheating on those. I was really trying to see the point on that scout shot on well.... wtf? A guy who gives a last shot to a door that is a common choke point before he goes heal... ? didnt even did DAMAGE.

Other shots on wall were lack of skill, and 1s clip was good shot with some luck... and good for him dont see any proof of cheating in any of this vid. And I'v cheat checked when was team leader already.

@the guy who did the vid: Get a life honestly!]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:33:01 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by kluniQ</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-1299/page-3/?recent=12580#post=11761</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[lmao what a bad cheat movie.

What was the creator thinking? "Yes I'll take the fastest class in the game and slow it down to 5% to make it dodgy!"

And why bother including prefires? Any decent player prefires alot.

Oh and LOL at including the clip of well "looking through the floor", even the cheat movie had the shadow bleeding through onto the wall, nevermind the ingame sound + teammates calling.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:24:38 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Redman350</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-1299/page-3/?recent=12580#post=11689</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[sorry, i forgot to put /sarcasm]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:54:34 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by treigzak</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-1299/page-3/?recent=12580#post=11676</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Everything can easily be explained. Dude is clean.

Oh yea and the video was horrible to watch. LETS BREAK IT DOWN!]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:54:02 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by GRTF2 Greger</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-1299/page-3/?recent=12580#post=11666</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[sometimes it looks like Aimbot-]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 08:10:22 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Agron</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-1299/page-3/?recent=12580#post=11664</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[lol? 

red you're joking right, he didnt even see the solly there, then he suddenly twitches to look at the window and pulls of a hs on a guy just flying past it? yeah, nothing weird about that...

Oh and I don't see any evidence of haxing in those clips.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:32:33 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Redman350</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-1299/page-3/?recent=12580#post=11662</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Cmon now, you'd have to be retarded to miss that soldier shot on well O_O]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 04:36:32 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Solus</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-1299/page-2/?recent=12580#post=11661</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[If only all hackers were as obvious as the one in the good SoldierDown video :)
http://vimeo.com/2367495]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 03:53:14 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by fuzzylogic</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-1299/page-2/?recent=12580#post=11655</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[meh i dont care anymore. and relentless you do realise they are versing girls.... if your talking about the male vs female gravelpit demo... i see no point trying to play serious lol?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 00:08:34 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Relentless</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-1299/page-2/?recent=12580#post=11618</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Okay, after watching the first round of the stv demo im sure that this guy is not cheating. In fact, he doesnt even seem incredibly good to me. Period.

PS: Australians dont use a demoman for defense in a 8v8 on Gravel Pit? rofl
PPS: Blu isnt capping the first point altogether although they could have won with stop watch in 1:20 mins and NOONE of red was on A? even more rofl no wonder these guys are whining this angelessme is cheating, any public noob could beat them.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:15:31 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Iller</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-1299/page-2/?recent=12580#post=11592</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[That has to be one of the most stupid piece of "evidence" I have seen so far..
I this is evidence then could easily "prove" that every player is a cheater. 

Clip 1 : So the player is a hacker because he is able to react decently fast, turn and then shoot ? He is playing in a top team and this behaviour is unusal in Australia ? Then I recommend any div 5 scout from here to go there and compete on the top level.

Clip 2 : He is moving his crosshair in a most common way to try to aim at the enemy and is not doing an incredibly good job ? If this is aimbot, then I again recommend any div 5 scout to to Australia and compete on the top level.

Clip 3 : He stands there and tries to guard the possible ways the enemies can attack. The only strange thing is when he is looking straight up, since this has no useful purpose. On the other hand, this could just be a coincidence. He might be bored standing there and decided to look up.
He is also looking a lot in directions where there are no enemies.
If he looks around a bit random he will of course sometimes happen to "look at" enemies through walls and sometimes not. 

Clip 4 :
So he really need to see through walls to anticipate that the enemies will attack from one of the most common attack paths. 
If I see an enemy burning and he is running to hide somewhere near a healthpack. Will I then be a cheater if I launch some missiles at the healthpack and happen to kill him ?

By the way, if he is wallhacking, why is he then ignoring the scout straight above his head in the beginning ? This scout could easily have killed him.

Clip 5 :
So the medics and the demo rushed in there and the scout followed and tried to shoot as quickly as possible ? What's the problem ?
(2 medics by the way ?)

Clip 6 :
In the end he is just turing around the corner and tries to get a quick shot at the opening, but misses a little bit ?
The only strange thing is when he is looking into the wall in the beginning.

Clip 7 : I always look up there in exactly the same way he does to be able to spot enemies above me as fast as possible. He then sees the scout and shoot him, so what ?

Clip 8 : Just ordinary aiming attempts again.

Clip 9: Seeing through objects ?
The scout ran to the right side of the stone and exposed himself, then "the cheater" tries to shoot him, but misses because the scout ran back behind the stone and "the cheater" happened shot the stone instead ?
He also seems to need a better "aimbot"...

Clip 10 : First he is shooting at an enemy at the door, the runs against the resup and the turn and shoot quickly at the same spot as before in the belief that the enemy is still there and to prevent anyone from killing him while running to resup. Very standard behaviour.
(besides, there is no enemy even behind the door at the spot he is firing at)

I had a look at the forum thread at the first post and found it a bit amusing.
The person there writes that this "cheater" was not a good player three months ago and now he is a good player as if this was something very suspicious. So it is impossible for people to improve ?
Sounds more like a steamer who cannot take beeing beaten by someone he was beating in the past..]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:49:04 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Relentless</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-1299/page-2/?recent=12580#post=11591</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[fuzzylogic nothing sus in this video for me tbh. He didnt even hit him so what?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:27:58 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Bash</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-1299/page-2/?recent=12580#post=11585</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[You do realize we were only asked to assess the video in the original post and seeing as how it's unlikely anyone in the ETF2L forums has heard of him or seen him play, let alone played with him, further explanations on your part are futile. Not to mention the fact that everyone that actually checked that clip probably did it out of boredom. Most people in this thread (most of whom are experienced with the game and some are also skilled) seem to find no damning evidence in the video in question. That is as much as anyone here can say on the matter.

I guess basically what I'm trying to get across here is that noone cares.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 03:21:21 +0100</pubDate>
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