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    	    <title>Reply by CaNtThInKoFaNaMe</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-11113/page-5/?recent=202061#post=202061</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkqFMRRBRjY]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 22:38:35 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by kuma1</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-11113/page-5/?recent=202061#post=201610</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[rofl that's rich coming from you :D]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 23:27:20 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Koeitje</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-11113/page-5/?recent=202061#post=201598</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from kuma</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

you might be a mid+ soldier koeitje (although one that can't rocket jump), but your social skills are low</blockquote>

Yes, I'm not very kind to people who act like dicks. I'm sorry.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 22:56:14 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Jay</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-11113/page-5/?recent=202061#post=201581</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[woooahhh a healthy debate!

i didnt even come back to check after the first nice gentleman told me.

Im sorry.


ummmm, well... i played many games since then and i have concluded that nobody quite knows what skill they are. i dont really care much.  it doesnt matter.

simply, ppl knew their skill vs div before and now it's a little different.  just wanted a list of what has changed. i have several lists now. fanks

ok im gonna go now, i have to shave my arse so it looks like i have hairy stockings on.


xxx]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 22:25:04 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by kuma1</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-11113/page-5/?recent=202061#post=201523</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Koeitje</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

I'm just saying they also overrate themselves. So its quite ironic kuma comes in here bitching about skill levels.</blockquote>

you might be a mid+ soldier koeitje (although one that can't rocket jump), but your social skills are low]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 17:41:10 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Koeitje</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-11113/page-5/?recent=202061#post=201522</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Thalien</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

You mean when you were a mid+ soldier and a mid+ demoman as well?
</blockquote>

I'm just saying they also overrate themselves. So its quite ironic kuma comes in here bitching about skill levels.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 17:39:07 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by TelekineticBear</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-11113/page-4/?recent=202061#post=201502</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Thalien</i>
		<blockquote>PS Stop being bad .</blockquote>

I try thalien i try!! But im just not good@games like you!]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 16:20:11 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Ripple</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-11113/page-4/?recent=202061#post=201501</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Let's just take IRC:

Why not searching like this?

Upper div 4:

6on6 &#124; now &#124; div 4 (mid-/mid) &#124; server on/off etc.

Lower div 4:

6on6 &#124; now &#124; div 4 (low+/mid-) &#124; server on/off etc.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 16:05:49 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Thalien</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-11113/page-4/?recent=202061#post=201500</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Koeitje</i>
		<blockquote>Ah you mean when you were looking for mid+ players kuma but where more like div4 standard?</blockquote>

You mean when you were a mid+ soldier and a mid+ demoman as well?

PS Stop being bad and start scheduling games against decent teams for your level.  Although it's a hassle to do, it's worth it seeing as you know that you will be playing at that time against a decent team and you don't have to search IRC for a game.  Basically, don't be lazy.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 15:56:29 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by kuma1</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-11113/page-4/?recent=202061#post=201498</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Koeitje</i>
		<blockquote>Ah you mean when you were looking for mid+ players kuma but where more like div4 standard?</blockquote>

yeah div 4 standard after you joined :)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 15:44:44 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by kuma1</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-11113/page-4/?recent=202061#post=201497</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from hal</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

So you accepted a d6 team...and it even was a decent game. I don't get what you are complaining about. If you accept d6 teams or teams without a history, you run the risk that they haven't found their skill level yet. 

If you want to make sure your opponent is d4/d3 or has players at that level...then put in the effort and check. If you don't then it's kinda your own fault tbh.

Besides, ppl need to stop acting as if skill levels could be an exact science. It's just not possible to ensure that you get a really good match, you can only (maybe) increase the odds. It's not like 5-0 is an uncommon result even if teams are technically on the same skill level (teams having a bad day and so on..).

What's the proposed solution of all the "skillfake" complainers anyway? Do you want a skill-police that fines ppl for skillfaking? :D</blockquote>

i'm not complaining about anything. anyway that has nothing to do with the point as yesterday's case is rare. you more often get complete rolls.

anyway, surely it's just easier and would make more sense for teams to actually get games at their own level.

have an official guideline of what each skill means or only ask for divisions to make it clear. you don't call barca high and tranmere rovers low+, their skill is evident from their records.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 15:44:14 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Koeitje</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-11113/page-4/?recent=202061#post=201496</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Ah you mean when you were looking for mid+ players kuma but were more like div4 standard?

edit: grammar nazi tiems]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 15:42:29 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by tapley</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-11113/page-4/?recent=202061#post=201494</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[You've been back 5 minutes and alreay you've raised hell, i swear if you wern't so beautifull Jay....]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 15:18:53 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by waebi</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-11113/page-4/?recent=202061#post=201493</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4Y7GMPJO64
time to get high.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 15:13:12 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by eq-</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-11113/page-4/?recent=202061#post=201486</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from kuma</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

like yesterday we played tc and it wasn't that bad considering they are div 6 (despite the shit talking). they got a few rounds vs us and it was a decent game </blockquote>

So you accepted a d6 team...and it even was a decent game. I don't get what you are complaining about. If you accept d6 teams or teams without a history, you run the risk that they haven't found their skill level yet. 

If you want to make sure your opponent is d4/d3 or has players at that level...then put in the effort and check. If you don't then it's kinda your own fault tbh.

Besides, ppl need to stop acting as if skill levels could be an exact science. It's just not possible to ensure that you get a really good match, you can only (maybe) increase the odds. It's not like 5-0 is an uncommon result even if teams are technically on the same skill level (teams having a bad day and so on..).

What's the proposed solution of all the "skillfake" complainers anyway? Do you want a skill-police that fines ppl for skillfaking? :D]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 14:28:07 +0200</pubDate>
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