[...] You've already crafted 57 weapons (minimum) in your quest for hat metal ;)

[...] Which will in turn delete the 2 items you used for crafting the gunboats, making the possession of ALL 3 items inevitably dependant on random drops.

Noone needs a razorback and someone who needs Gunboats probably doesn't NEED a charging targe.

[...] Nope it isnt, use your brain kid

[...] You do realise it is now 100% chance of getting gunboats provided you use 2 items which you can get through achievements.

[...] Nope it isnt, use your brain kid. +1. Havent seen a single good argument against Relentless' posts.

[...] Health and safety, health and safety, health and safety - these are appropriate examples how? The backpass is a reasoned rule change because of an existing aspect of the game, not because some jackass on the board of directors said "lol how bout dis for our league!". Also yea really how much can someone know about football :D

And no, Vali has a very good point there, nobody is forced into crafting their items, it's a choice, if you want to use it, it comes with a price, whatever that might be, you'll regain the weapons after a while anyway.

Crafting still isn't a 100% chance. In theory unlucky guy x could never get the gunboats no matter how hard he tries. Imagine a fighting game with a secret character that is unlocked totally randomly and you can't influence the time he is unlocked at all - you might get him after 1 day and you might still not have him after 6 months - would you allow that character if you were running a tournament? A general permission is hence not in question imo - a "if both teams agree"-rule would be okay though.

It's reasonable in any game to ban something if both players/teams do not have equal access to something, even if it's not very powerful.

This discussion shouldn't really be held tbh. The new weapons have been tried out before. FaN, sandman, DH, none of them add any game changing tactics. Sure there's fan jumping and w.e but in the end there's not much difference. There's no real advantage to having them, and the disadvantage is rather obvious. They lower the skill ceiling and therefore induce irritation.

[...] So now you wanna force people to craft their items? Retarded argument.

[...] Actually the argument was that it was statistically possible to never get a random drop of or able to craft a pair of gunboats, the issue was never with crafting away your items and relying on random drops because that's true of any weapon. If you choose to craft away your targe + charge and razorback which you unlocked from achievements, that's your problem. Since both weapons are guaranteed from achievements and the new community weapons are guaranteed from crafting of those weapons, its fine.

[...] The backpass rule definitely changed gameplay mechanics for defenders, but if you want even more appropriate examples - the predator boots in 1994, the gradual adoption of goalkeeper gloves in the 1970s to near ubiquity in the modern game, the continuing kit evolution to increase aerodynamics as well as keeping the player cool, also shin pads were first used 11 years after the creation of the Football Association (FA).